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He's probably talking parents? The 7001 and 7100 xmls are parents, clones and un-clones from this topic. Just with all the other stuff stripped out (talked about a couple pages back)

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14 hours ago, Metalzoic said:

 

@phulshof did you see his mention of pong being rated mature on accident in the xmls? Might need to be fixed in your future official databases

 

 

I've updated the .180 files; should be automatically fixed from now on. :)

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Perhaps I may sum up:

The UI version of MAME has great filters to see for oneself (highly advised!) the current bloatware (for now- no offense MAME devs!).

Latest MAME .180 supports 33,863 titles (when including MESS systems bios.). Before the kid in the candy store feeling takes you over, know that 22,192 of them don't work!  Using other tools to scan the games, there are 7408 MAME games IF you filter out the non-working 22,192 stuff408, and the categories featured in mame_no_casino_mahjong_mature_quiz_electro_utilities.xml 

This includes clones because one can either play them or tick one toggle button in HyperHQ to make them appear or not appear in your Hyperspin wheel.

"My" (really a team effort) 7100 games list is the remainder of said 7408 (still with clones) after further removal of 308 "more sneaky" games that should be in with the filtered out list but aren't labeled as mahjong, casino, etc. yet.

The final cleansing of the list:   If you remove ALL the clones, you will throw out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak.  A small handful of clones you will likely still want... the reasons are stated in Metalzoic's list but the reasons vary: extra features not in the parent version, # of player controls. Imagine not having 4 players around to play Sunset Riders: more often one or two people play and you'd like to CHOOSE which character to play as). Now your wheel will display both the 4 player and the 2 player version (and serves as a reminder which games have that feature).  To not lose those hidden gems we remove their tags as being a clone to make them a parent game so they do appear in your HS game selection whether you filter out clones or not.

So 7100 is the magic number when all is said and done...

The tricky part that stumps people I think is this: When people say filtering out the final 7100 yet one last time of clones, at this point the hard work of adding the small list of new pals like Sunset Riders 2player is not undone- those handful show up WITH your originals list (again, they are now branded as a parent/original so why wouldn't they), and that marriage leaves you 2789 total games to play without all other clones. 

Sounds good- how do I do it?

You get this 2789 total either by using my xml (from my earlier post) labeled with that game amount, OR with the two step process of using my 7100 labeled one and ticking the "Hey Hyperspin, I may want my clones later but don't show them to me now" box in HyperHQ.  Hyperspin will heed your order and just show you the 2789 the same as if you used the first method.

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On 02/12/2016 at 4:48 PM, phantasy said:

A dipswitch / service menu settings idea...

Was thinking.. what actually saves the dipswitch and service menu settings so I would not have to redo them all when I update my MAME version (which now I don't plan to for a long time)?  Is it the NVRAM folder that keeps track of that?  If so, would an attachment of the appropriate files (without the roms) be a good upload to save so one could just import them into a new MAME install or save other people the trouble?

Dip switch settings are stored in the config files (cfg folder.)

So are you guys using this xml as your main mame xml or as a separate wheel?

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52 minutes ago, gigapig said:

Dip switch settings are stored in the config files (cfg folder.)

So are you guys using this xml as your main mame xml or as a separate wheel?

I only added an xml because Ninja asked for one.

I just go through and unclone every game on that list in my full, normal MAME xml before I split it out into manufacturers.

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We may be confusing two requests. Back when we focused on the best clones which I have a genre for. I think what we are doing now is something more which would become the mame xml without the trash which is awesome and you would exclude clones

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Thank you Ninja- I would suggest it as the main MAME xml and would be honored to have it as such. It really adheres to the xml goals, so unless anyone disagrees with any of the removals and wishes for changes, I'm up for it.  Even if changes, I am sure it will serve as the best template.

Gigapig- thank you for the info on the dipswitches!! That is good news about them being in the cfg folder.  If I open one in notepad++ I see no mame-build-specific writing.  This is an example using Trog:

MY OLD .179 cfg file with the proper dip switches set per Metalzoic:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!-- This file is autogenerated; comments and unknown tags will be stripped -->
<mameconfig version="10">
    <system name="trog">
        <input>
            <port tag=":DSW" type="DIPSWITCH" mask="3072" defvalue="3072" value="2048" />
        </input>
    </system>
</mameconfig>

I now did a first time loading of TROG in my .180 version folder which created a new cfg file that has no settings changed:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!-- This file is autogenerated; comments and unknown tags will be stripped -->
<mameconfig version="10">
    <system name="trog" />
</mameconfig>

When I copy and paste over this newly created cfg with my .179 one and load it up in .180 MAME all works beautifully.  So since it is just a cfg file and not the more system specific nvram ones, in theory (ha, and I guess now in practice) we could seriously just make a one-time zip of all the cfg files for the games in Metalzoic's list and just have people download and extract it into their cfg folder!  Any updated MAME should work, no?

I don't have time at the moment to test if a MAMEUI cfg is written the same as a MAMEFX/Arcade64 one but could try later.  The new xml combined with a zip of the better cfgs would be the ultimate time saver for people.

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If by "main" MAME xml you mean the official one, there isn't 1 official MAME xml. Prior to phulshof doing his 800 variants there were 3 or so variants in the official download that brolly did. Even if there was a single official one it would be a more full xml, cutting out stuff like mature, casino, etc. wouldn't align with the xml guidelines. But there's no reason to ever have 1 official database for MAME anyway, having options is the best way to handle it with the volume of games in MAME and the wide variance of preferences. Feel free to keep updating this and add it to the downloads section for those who want it along with the other custom xmls.

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We may be confusing two requests. Back when we focused on the best clones which I have a genre for. I think what we are doing now is something more which would become the mame xml without the trash which is awesome and you would exclude clones


He has just made a cleaned up Xml with un-clones games added for 180. Same as I did for MAME 175 before.

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Here's an idea to extend the topic... how about a list of MAME games with interesting dip switch variants? For example, you can set a dip switch in NBA Jam to make it 2-player (and so, kind of like a clone).

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On 1/15/2017 at 8:32 PM, Metalzoic said:

Bringing this back up as it keeps getting buried.

Could've just asked for a pin ;)

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Old thread but laser disc cobra command parent doesn't work so you would need to add the clone cobram3.

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might want to add Guerrilla War Joystick hack

like Ikari Warriors this game has that funky joystick

 

Parent : Guerrilla War (US)  gwar

Clone: guerrilla War (Joystick hack bootleg)  gwarb

 

Hopefully we can add Heavy Barrel to the list in the future.

 

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On 2/28/2017 at 0:18 PM, joe35car said:

Old thread but laser disc cobra command parent doesn't work so you would need to add the clone cobram3.

Cobra Command works in MAME? That's the first I've heard that.

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On 7/2/2016 at 3:40 PM, Metalzoic said:

 

That's what the list is for. You do it the normal way. Go through the list and manually un-clone them directly in your database.

Just change "<cloneof>GAME</cloneof>" line to "<cloneof />", just like it looks in the database above.

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Hi Metalzoic, quick question -

When you "unclone" the desired rom using this method, and "clone" the parent. (ex. If I was switching the parent to be the simpsons 2 player version instead of the 4 player) - how do you then "resync" your media with themes/video/artwork to now recognize this new parent?

I have it working where the 2 player is now the parent, only one showing in HS and will launch, but it doesn't load the artwork/video/theme anymore like it used to do when the 4 player version was the parent. Can't figure it out! Thanks for any help!!

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3 minutes ago, jtb1987 said:

@Metalzoic

Hi Metalzoic, quick question -

When you "unclone" the desired rom using this method, and "clone" the parent. (ex. If I was switching the parent to be the simpsons 2 player version instead of the 4 player) - how do you then "resync" your media with themes/video/artwork to now recognize this new parent?

I have it working where the 2 player is now the parent, only one showing in HS and will launch, but it doesn't load the artwork/video/theme anymore like it used to do when the 4 player version was the parent. Can't figure it out! Thanks for any help!!

Well if you unclone a game and leave it's parent you don't have to do anything. Just set HyperHQ to use parent artwork for clones. Done.

If you're changing the Parent to a clone to hide it, then you just copy paste all the parents media and simply rename it to the clones name. Same as you would when adding any media.

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On 12/3/2016 at 6:45 PM, phantasy said:

Perhaps I may sum up:

The UI version of MAME has great filters to see for oneself (highly advised!) the current bloatware (for now- no offense MAME devs!).

Latest MAME .180 supports 33,863 titles (when including MESS systems bios.). Before the kid in the candy store feeling takes you over, know that 22,192 of them don't work!  Using other tools to scan the games, there are 7408 MAME games IF you filter out the non-working 22,192 stuff408, and the categories featured in mame_no_casino_mahjong_mature_quiz_electro_utilities.xml 

This includes clones because one can either play them or tick one toggle button in HyperHQ to make them appear or not appear in your Hyperspin wheel.

"My" (really a team effort) 7100 games list is the remainder of said 7408 (still with clones) after further removal of 308 "more sneaky" games that should be in with the filtered out list but aren't labeled as mahjong, casino, etc. yet.

The final cleansing of the list:   If you remove ALL the clones, you will throw out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak.  A small handful of clones you will likely still want... the reasons are stated in Metalzoic's list but the reasons vary: extra features not in the parent version, # of player controls. Imagine not having 4 players around to play Sunset Riders: more often one or two people play and you'd like to CHOOSE which character to play as). Now your wheel will display both the 4 player and the 2 player version (and serves as a reminder which games have that feature).  To not lose those hidden gems we remove their tags as being a clone to make them a parent game so they do appear in your HS game selection whether you filter out clones or not.

So 7100 is the magic number when all is said and done...

The tricky part that stumps people I think is this: When people say filtering out the final 7100 yet one last time of clones, at this point the hard work of adding the small list of new pals like Sunset Riders 2player is not undone- those handful show up WITH your originals list (again, they are now branded as a parent/original so why wouldn't they), and that marriage leaves you 2789 total games to play without all other clones. 

Sounds good- how do I do it?

You get this 2789 total either by using my xml (from my earlier post) labeled with that game amount, OR with the two step process of using my 7100 labeled one and ticking the "Hey Hyperspin, I may want my clones later but don't show them to me now" box in HyperHQ.  Hyperspin will heed your order and just show you the 2789 the same as if you used the first method.

 

This all sounds awesome - effectively a definitive list of mame games worth having... don't suppose you have (or have an easy way of updating) this xml for version 0.183?

 

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On ‎3‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 1:43 AM, Metalzoic said:

Cobra Command works in MAME? That's the first I've heard that.

Has been for a while (MAME 146). Like I said you have to use the cobram3 version or just stick with Daphne.

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On 12/3/2016 at 10:45 AM, phantasy said:

Perhaps I may sum up:

The UI version of MAME has great filters to see for oneself (highly advised!) the current bloatware (for now- no offense MAME devs!).

Latest MAME .180 supports 33,863 titles (when including MESS systems bios.). Before the kid in the candy store feeling takes you over, know that 22,192 of them don't work!  Using other tools to scan the games, there are 7408 MAME games IF you filter out the non-working 22,192 stuff408, and the categories featured in mame_no_casino_mahjong_mature_quiz_electro_utilities.xml 

This includes clones because one can either play them or tick one toggle button in HyperHQ to make them appear or not appear in your Hyperspin wheel.

"My" (really a team effort) 7100 games list is the remainder of said 7408 (still with clones) after further removal of 308 "more sneaky" games that should be in with the filtered out list but aren't labeled as mahjong, casino, etc. yet.

The final cleansing of the list:   If you remove ALL the clones, you will throw out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak.  A small handful of clones you will likely still want... the reasons are stated in Metalzoic's list but the reasons vary: extra features not in the parent version, # of player controls. Imagine not having 4 players around to play Sunset Riders: more often one or two people play and you'd like to CHOOSE which character to play as). Now your wheel will display both the 4 player and the 2 player version (and serves as a reminder which games have that feature).  To not lose those hidden gems we remove their tags as being a clone to make them a parent game so they do appear in your HS game selection whether you filter out clones or not.

So 7100 is the magic number when all is said and done...

The tricky part that stumps people I think is this: When people say filtering out the final 7100 yet one last time of clones, at this point the hard work of adding the small list of new pals like Sunset Riders 2player is not undone- those handful show up WITH your originals list (again, they are now branded as a parent/original so why wouldn't they), and that marriage leaves you 2789 total games to play without all other clones. 

Sounds good- how do I do it?

You get this 2789 total either by using my xml (from my earlier post) labeled with that game amount, OR with the two step process of using my 7100 labeled one and ticking the "Hey Hyperspin, I may want my clones later but don't show them to me now" box in HyperHQ.  Hyperspin will heed your order and just show you the 2789 the same as if you used the first method.

Somehow I missed this post from you @phantasy. Well said. You and I basically do the same thing except I got my filtered XML down to 7000, but I haven't updated since 175.

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On 12/3/2016 at 1:04 PM, gigapig said:

Dip switch settings are stored in the config files (cfg folder.)

So are you guys using this xml as your main mame xml or as a separate wheel?

I use this as my main XML. Once it is all filtered and totally fixed I then split it out into the manufacturer wheels.

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On 3/22/2017 at 6:03 AM, joe35car said:

Has been for a while (MAME 146). Like I said you have to use the cobram3 version or just stick with Daphne.

Cool I'll update the main post this weekend.

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On 3/4/2017 at 10:50 PM, 32assassin said:

might want to add Guerrilla War Joystick hack

like Ikari Warriors this game has that funky joystick

 

Parent : Guerrilla War (US)  gwar

Clone: guerrilla War (Joystick hack bootleg)  gwarb

 

Hopefully we can add Heavy Barrel to the list in the future.

 

Ok, Guerillan War is added to the list and XML. Thanks 32assassin.

 

Can anyone confirm that Cobra Command  laser disc game clone cobram3  is working? It doesn't work in my 175, but maybe it does in newer or previous versions.

 

EDIT: I also just found out my Geurilla War vid snap play sound but no picture. Can someone post theirs if it works please?

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