Error Loading Game Need help

[TheMadHatter]

Ok, So I was very interested in getting a Sega Saturn emulator working for 2 specific games (Dragon Force and Guardian Heroes) 2 childhood favorites of mine that bring back good family memories from visiting my grandmas house and hanging out playing games with my uncle. So first of all Simply Austins help guides are so informative and seem to be EXACTLY what i was looking for with tutorial set up help. But i keep getting an error trying to load the ONLY game/system i have set up on HyperSpin/RocketLauncher. I Use SSF of course. Now the drive number usually says select 0 or 1. The only thing is I have multiple drives. Including the Daemon Tools Virtual drives that are set up.

 

My Drives

SSD©

SSD(D)

HD(E)

SCSI(K)

DT(L)

 

Would my drive still be 0 or 1? or would it be more like 3 or 4?

 

This is the Error im getting. Tried to provide Path proof as well. Can send more Screen Shots if requested just tell me where to go and what to snap. Any help would be greatly appreciated. After I set up the Sega Saturn I want to start with other emulators too.

 

ALSO. Im looking for Game Packs. If thats even possible. So I dont have to download each rom or iso separately. If not its not a big deal i can take the time to find ones i want but just figured that information cant be uploaded on Youtube so its harder to find tutorials on how to get all the games for each system.

 

[Avar]

Does it work outside of HyperSpin/RocketLauncher? Also, if you right click the cue file and open it with a text editor, is the path in it correctly pointing to the bin? What do you have set in the Daemon Tools section of the Settings window and the CDDRIVE parameter of the global module settings? Finally, under Global -> General Settings -> Daemon Tools have you defined a complete path to DTLite.exe?

[TheMadHatter]

Does it work outside of HyperSpin/RocketLauncher? Also, if you right click the cue file and open it with a text editor, is the path in it correctly pointing to the bin? What do you have set in the Daemon Tools section of the Settings window and the CDDRIVE parameter of the global module settings? Finally, under Global -> General Settings -> Daemon Tools have you defined a complete path to DTLite.exe?

Currently im at work so i wont be able to provide screen shots for like 4 hours. Pathing for Daemon Tools has been defined to DTLite's Execution file. Havent tried it outside of Hyperspin/RocketLauncherUI yet. And i will have to try to open up that Cue file in a text document and check the path. Was unsure about that or how to do that.

 

and whats this mean?

 

"What do you have set in the Daemon Tools section of the Settings window and the CDDRIVE parameter of the global module settings?"

 

Is there a path i can get to check this out. I understand you might not know what drive my daemon tools is or other programs but i mean like once i get into the program u want me to look at where do i go to check this lol.

[Avar]

Ok, sounds good, thanks. Let me know how it goes when you get home. Definitely double check it's working outside of HS/RL, that's always the first stem if you encounter problems.

 

Is there a path i can get to check this out. I understand you might not know what drive my daemon tools is or other programs but i mean like once i get into the program u want me to look at where do i go to check this lol.

 

 

For "What do you have set in the Daemon Tools section of the Settings window?" : When you're in your Sega Saturn menu of RocketLauncherUI, click on the "Settings" tab depicted by the green gear icon at the top of the window. Under the  "Main Settings" sub-tab you'll see the "DAEMON Tools" section, with the parameters "Enabled" and Use SCSI" which are commonly set to "use_global" or "true." If they are set to "use_global," double check the global setting by going to Global (top of the system list) -> Settings -> Main Settings.

 

For "What do you have set in the CDDRIVE parameter of the global module settings?" : When you're in your Sega Saturn menu of RocketLauncherUI, clink on the "Modules" tab depicted by the green "H" icon at the top of the window. Click on "SSF.ahk" then click the smaller icon which has the popup "Edit Global Module Settings." This will bring up all of the RocketLauncher module defined emulator parameters, including "CDDRIVE." I suspect these will be fine but I'd like to double check in general.

[TheMadHatter]

Currently im at work so i wont be able to provide screen shots for like 4 hours. Pathing for Daemon Tools has been defined to DTLite's Execution file. Havent tried it outside of Hyperspin/RocketLauncherUI yet. And i will have to try to open up that Cue file in a text document and check the path. Was unsure about that or how to do that.

 

and whats this mean?

 

"What do you have set in the Daemon Tools section of the Settings window and the CDDRIVE parameter of the global module settings?"

 

Is there a path i can get to check this out. I understand you might not know what drive my daemon tools is or other programs but i mean like once i get into the program u want me to look at where do i go to check this lol.

Ya id like to double check those too. they do sound familiar and i think i have them all set properly but ofc im a newbie with this and ill have to check. ill upload more screen shots in about 3 hours.

[TheMadHatter]

OK, Back home.

 

Did the steps you mentioned.

Getting new error.

Changed my Rom location to my E drive now but i also changed pathing setting of my roms on the Settings for Sega Saturn to the right spot too. Now im getting this error when trying to run through SSF through RLUI.

 

Couldnt get the CUE opened up through text document though. Only places it would let me 'Open With' were Adobe (Said that id couldnt open bc it may of been an email version or was corrupt which i thought was wrong.) and Daemon tools (Said it wasnt able to be mounted, so maybe this is where the issue lays. 

 

Also couldnt get it to run through SSF alone either.
 
Here are the screenshots of the new errors/setting confirmations requested.

 

Oh and you were right i didnt screen shot it because for some reason it said it was too large to attach onto here but the Setings>Main Settings>(Sega Saturn not Global) Showed the Virtual Drive settings Enabled (use_global) and Use SCSI (use_global) as well so i just screen shot the Global setting

[TheMadHatter]

Oh and i also couldnt show the screenshot of the Global Settings Editor for SSF.ahk Reached my limit of attachments uploaded. But here are my settings.

 

Fullscreen <Default

UseBIOS <Default

BilinearFiltering true

WideScreen <Default

Stretch <Default

AutoFieldSkip <Default

EnforceAspectRatioWindow <Default

EnforceAspectRatioFullscreen <Default

FixedWindowResolution <Default

FixedFullscreenResolution false

VSynchWaitWindow <Default

VSynchWaitFullscreen <Default

CDDrive 1

WindowSize 2

 

If you need the right side let me know most are grey'd out other than defaultRegion, Scanlines, DeleteCachedSettings, and LegacyMode which are all <Default. and Bios are just the bios that were in the emulator themselves all regions in there except WorldBios

[TheMadHatter]

One thing you will need to do is set 7z enabled to true so that the rom is unzipped and the cue is passed to DT. You will also need to make sure the cue file is correct. You should be able to right click, select Open With.., and select "Choose Another Program" where you can manually set notepad or another text editor. Otherwise, you can open notepad and just drag and drop the cue file into notepad and it will open. You'll need to make sure that the filename in quotes matches the name of the bin file you have.

ok so that helped with the whole drag and drop now this is what i got.

 

My Dragon Force BIN file is titled - Dragon Force (USA)

 

and in notepad this is what the CUE looks like

 

FILE "Dragon Force (USA).BIN" BINARY

    TRACK 01 MODE1/2352

      INDEX 01 00:00:00

    TRACK 02 AUDIO

      INDEX 00 62:28:45

      INDEX 01 62:30:45

[TheMadHatter]

One thing you will need to do is set 7z enabled to true so that the rom is unzipped and the cue is passed to DT. You will also need to make sure the cue file is correct. You should be able to right click, select Open With.., and select "Choose Another Program" where you can manually set notepad or another text editor. Otherwise, you can open notepad and just drag and drop the cue file into notepad and it will open. You'll need to make sure that the filename in quotes matches the name of the bin file you have.

Also i enabled in global for 7z now im getting this error when trying to run ssf through RLUI.

 

Could not find "Dragon Force (USA)" inside the archive with any define Rom Extensions. Check if you are missing the correct Rom Extension for this rom for SSF's Extensions, enable Rom_Match_Extensions, or correct the file name inside the archive.

[TheMadHatter]

You'll want to make sure that the cue inside that zip is named "Dragon Force (USA)" and that cue is listed as an extension for SSF on the Global -> Emulators tab.

Under Global>Emulators my SSF has no Red exclamation mark. and the Extensions do show 7z,zip,cue,ccd,iso,mds,mdf (commas are actually vertical lines)

 

and my CUE file in the sega saturn rom folder is Titled as Dragon Force (USA)

[TheMadHatter]

If you have the cue, bin, and zip in the same folder it will try to load the zip first so make sure that the cue inside the zip is named correctly.

Thats probably it. Bc when i extract them they come out DRAGON_FORCE. How to i make it so they are named correctly in the zip

[TheMadHatter]

Highlighted both CUE and BIN files and went to 7z options and compressed to .7z thinking thats who i do it. Please tell me if im wrong. Now i only kept the .7z file or rar i guess in there. Now when i try to open it it ACUTALLY doesnt give me an error anymore it just flashes BLACK screen like its about to load. then kicks out and doesnt bring up SSF and even if i open SSF manually through the emulators folder it does the same thing

[TheMadHatter]

You zipped it correctly, all you need is that .7z with the bin and cue inside. It sounds like daemon tools still isn't mounting it, so you may have a bad rip. First thing you want to do is make sure you can load it in DT directly from Windows. If it won't load there, it's not going to work. While you have it loaded in DT in Windows you want to run it in SSF. If it doesn't load there, it's not going to work in RL/HS.

ya it def wasnt being mounted for some reason ima try a different copy real quick and make sure everything matches in the new CUE and such real quick and see what happens. thanks for the fast repsonses man this is helping a LOT

[TheMadHatter]

ya it def wasnt being mounted for some reason ima try a different copy real quick and make sure everything matches in the new CUE and such real quick and see what happens. thanks for the fast repsonses man this is helping a LOT

So i tried 2 different copies and i couldnt even go into DAEMON Tools Lite - Free License and mount them with the SCSI drive. Maybe i need to ask if people have Sega Saturn Game packs in Rar files that will mount? is that possible and just download a rar from them or something and extract it in my Rom/Iso sega saturn folder? Does that exist?

[Avar]

No, that doesn't exist. Disc images only.

 

In what way does it prevent you from mounting them manually? That's really peculiar and likely a big part of the problem.

[Avar]

Yeah, that's why I sent mine to use as a control. If it doesn't mount then it's a problem with DT.

 

Good call, that'll narrow it down.

[Avar]

One quirk with the SSF modules: Try leaving the CDDRIVE parameter blank in the SSF Global Module Settings as well. This is the only way mine works with both of the latest RL modules.

[TheMadHatter]

So that copy mounted fine but now when i try to open the emulator it makes my whole screen black....flickers...then closes. doesnt even show an application open on my desktop

[Avar]

That's with opening the emulator manually? And is that just when you open the emu or is it when you go to start the rom? Finally, do you have your bios files setup?

[TheMadHatter]

That's with opening the emulator manually? And is that just when you open the emu or is it when you go to start the rom? Finally, do you have your bios files setup?

so i thought the bios were automatically but i did put bios into both the emulator and the RLUI pathing for the saturn. But its when i open SSF manually that it black screens like im putting my monitor to a new port or something and then goes back to my desktop and no application opens up. and when i go through RLUI and right click on the game through saturn games and run though ssf it brings up like an audio disc throguh daemon tools and crashes too. But i think maybe if i change the emulator to open up in window mode i might get better information about the issue but idk how to do that bc it wont open up the emulator manually to change the settings lol.

[TheMadHatter]

Leave it to me to try setting up the hardest emulator first but after i get this one set up i think the rest should be a breeze lol so hopefully i can figure this out. again thank you both for all the help even though its not working as of yet i still feel like im actually getting somewhere

[Avar]

It's not that bad, just bit harder to troubleshoot than other systems that require the use of Daemon tools as SSF is a bit touchier.

 

What OS are you running? And which version of SSF? You can try running it as administrator, I have to do that for my setup.

 

Like agent47 said, the black screen is indicated. That's just the emu going full screen. If it crashes right after loading though that's not normal, but SSF does tend to get upset if you alt-tab. Does it go back to your desktop without you touching anything still if you run as administrator?

 

The disc load bios screen you're getting through RL is generally an indicator that your CDDRIVE paramater in the global emu settings is incorrect. Completely ignore rocketlauncher for now though until you get it running outside of HS or you're just maiing a troubleshooting nightmare for yourself. We'll be able to get your RL setup right once we know your roms and emu are working correctly.

[TheMadHatter]

Pressing Alt + Enter will toggle fullscreen in SSF.

ill try this when i get home when its loading up to full screen. just to be clear tho i try to open it up and after it loads it goes right into black screen while it looks like its trying to go into full screen if i press ALT + Enter right then it 'Should' window?

 

It's not that bad, just bit harder to troubleshoot than other systems that require the use of Daemon tools as SSF is a bit touchier.

 

What OS are you running? And which version of SSF? You can try running it as administrator, I have to do that for my setup.

 

Like agent47 said, the black screen is indicated. That's just the emu going full screen. If it crashes right after loading though that's not normal, but SSF does tend to get upset if you alt-tab. Does it go back to your desktop without you touching anything still if you run as administrator?

 

The disc load bios screen you're getting through RL is generally an indicator that your CDDRIVE paramater in the global emu settings is incorrect. Completely ignore rocketlauncher for now though until you get it running outside of HS or you're just maiing a troubleshooting nightmare for yourself. We'll be able to get your RL setup right once we know your roms and emu are working correctly.

Ill definitely check that when i get home again im at work like a drone lol. and ya i will try to get it going through SSF properly first.

 

If the SSF gui is being weird you can change the cd drive number in the SSF.ini file in your emulator folder instead. The CDDrive="x" line in the ini is what you want to change.

Ya i havent cheked the Ini but first im going to try and get it out of full screen because i think it will help with troubleshooting the ssf emu. But then ill check the CDDrive in the ini but what should be set to? like is that the 0 or 1 drive mostly? bci have quite a few drives.

 

C- SSD

D- SSD

E- HD

K - SCSI(Daemon Tools Virtual Drive)

L - DT(Daemon Tools Virtual Drive)

 

obviously i want to run it form the K drive but i know RLUI says like drive number but i dont know if that number is indicated by like your disc slot? or in this case drive slot? i guess it it was a disc slot my ssd and hd drives shouldnt matter so it would make more sense to only be anywhere from 0-3? that part kinda throws me for a loop

[Avar]

The number's indicated next to the virtual drive if you left click the DTLite icon in your taskbar's hidden icons menu. Mine is 0, for example.

[TheMadHatter]

It doesn't follow number to drive letter. I have 7 HDDs and 4 DVD drives. My working SCSI number is 2, but if it went by letter it would've been 6 or 7. Yours should be between 0 and 4.

Gotcha that makes sense

 

The number's indicated next to the virtual drive if you left click the DTLite icon in your taskbar's hidden icons menu. Mine is 0, for example.

Wait so i can actually go into DTLite and click on my drives and see what number they are slotted in to confirm what number to put in there instead of guess and check? Whats the pathing on that? like do i go into where my DTLite is like for example C/Program Files/DTLite? or is this a different location usually?