milhouse19 Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 Thanks for the responses - will disable xpadder and see what that gets me. I only doubt its a device id issue because other games using the same device ids aren't having issues, both before and after I run HOTD3.
ParkerLewis31884 Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 Thanks for this info, ParkerLewis31884. I am having one issue I was hoping maybe you have seen?With House of the Dead 3 (PC), both lightguns work and track in the menus and can start games (and add "Credits"). But once in game, Player 1 works fine but Player 2 just a a centered crosshair that doesn't move and no shots are registered. The other buttons (mapped via xpadder) work fine. What is really strange is that it was working just fine for a while, but then suddenly started doing this after I configured a few other games. I double-checked my device IDs and they seem fine - plus it works in the menus. Any ideas? Any chance you saw this? Strange. i mean, if you hadn't made it work successfully before, I'd just say recheck everything from the guide (including game version), but if it worked already, there shouldn't be any reason for this. Except a device ID issue like connorsdad mentioned. I'd start investigating there (did you add/remove usb devices since then ? I personally did that (added a joystick since then) and haven't had any problem doing so, but apparently this is a common issue). Also, just for information, guns "working" in the menus are not a proof of anything working. Even with TS inactive, they would both "work" in the menu, simply both controlling the mouse. The behavior you're describing matches what would happen to someone trying to play without TS. On the other hand, I just don't see how xpadder could be the issue here (or at least not the only issue, if gun movement is not registered). Also, there is no need to deactivate it before launching the game (well at least I never had to). So, investigate the TS chain again. Try double clicking on TS icon after the game has been launched, verify that it does say "Hooked: The House of the Dead 3", and that your guns movement are correctly registered by TS in the same window (see the guide for additional details). This should at least fix the gun movement issue. If that is fixed and you still have button issues, then at that point start rechecking xpadder again. For info, if you're playing with a non-US keyboard (non QWERTY layout), you need to take this into account when configuring xpadder keys. Thanks for the responses - will disable xpadder and see what that gets me. I only doubt its a device id issue because other games using the same device ids aren't having issues, both before and after I run HOTD3. Ah, is this a HotD 3 only issue ? In this case, have you checked that HotD 3 is configured to use keyboard for both players ? And that keyboard controls settings are the default ones (or at least match what you configured in xpadder / TS) ?
milhouse19 Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 As seems to be pretty typical, a reboot fixed it. Its not a long term solution but hopefully it was just a one time deal. Only remaining issue is that in HOTD the Player 1 crosshair moves along with the gun, while Player 2 only moves when I pull the trigger. But I'm not going to risk breaking it just to fix that. Thanks to everyone for the advice.
majorspawn Posted January 21, 2015 Author Posted January 21, 2015 if u have problems with ids after reboot setup your aimtracks fresh with NO other mouse devices plugged it. i had a similar problem with ids swapping after reeboot. Sent from my GT-I9305 using Tapatalk My Arcade Projects: SNES PC Project Vewlix Cabinet LS-30 Rotary Joysticks
milhouse19 Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 if u have problems with ids after reboot setup your aimtracks fresh with NO other mouse devices plugged it. i had a similar problem with ids swapping after reeboot.Sent from my GT-I9305 using Tapatalk What I found most strange was that I have seven HID-Compliant Mice listed in device manager, 3 more than I should have. Disabling the extras helped because when I first started setting it the IDs changed between games and I think when xpadder loaded (I accidentally set up a couple of profiles for myU360s as a mouse device. Cleaning that up and disabling has pushed the AimTraks to Nos. 3 & 4. I am also plugging them into the only two USB 3,0 ports on the PC, thinking that those drivers will be loaded after everything else is. Time will tell.
what2be Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 Keep in mind that I had similar problems and frustrations. I personally couldn't get HOT2 pc working at all, i believe this is due to my PC version not being compatible. In the TS app it lists the versions supported you might simply have a version that doesn't work properly have you tried a different release version for 2 and 3? The old version of TS needs no configuration apart from enabling the game with a tick box from memory, the new version of TS DOESNT work at all for PC games apart from the emulator support which i use for dual aimtraks for HOTD2 only. SO are you using both the original TS AND TS2? I too cant get HOTD2 to work with TS2 using ANY of the profiles for it. (havent tried the original TS yet) I can however get the original HOTD to work with TS2, just not HOTD2 or HOTD3 (both HOTD2 and HOTD3 work fine without using TS2.) Did you get a different version of HOTD2 to get it to work with TS2 or are you using the original TS for HOTD2?
majorspawn Posted March 8, 2015 Author Posted March 8, 2015 SO are you using both the original TS AND TS2? I too cant get HOTD2 to work with TS2 using ANY of the profiles for it. (havent tried the original TS yet)I can however get the original HOTD to work with TS2, just not HOTD2 or HOTD3 (both HOTD2 and HOTD3 work fine without using TS2.) Did you get a different version of HOTD2 to get it to work with TS2 or are you using the original TS for HOTD2? TS1 for the games for HOTD3 EU version working TS2 for the emulator, could not get any of the games to work on this Parket Lewis had more luck with other versions My Arcade Projects: SNES PC Project Vewlix Cabinet LS-30 Rotary Joysticks
ParkerLewis31884 Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 First off : make sure you don't have both TS and TS2 activated at the same time, as it will only result in a very messy situation. If you have them both installed, make sure only one is active at a time. Second, to make sure it is clear, I indeed managed to make everything work with TS2 only : emulators like Supermodel and straight PC games as well (HOTD2 PC, HOTD3 PC). To be even more clear, the original TS is not even on my system anymore. Finally, have you tried going through my step-by-step tutorial at the beginning of Page 3 ?
Imagamejunky Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Thanks for posting all of the help here guys. These aimtraks are a pain. Have any of you had problems with the troubleshooter? I am trying to uninstall it with no luck. Junky The Gamejunky Cab: http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/topic/7191-project-gamejunky-cab/ My new youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC85zq3VgibnPTOkielbyRegInstagram: https://instagram.com/imagamejunky/
what2be Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Thanks for posting all of the help here guys. These aimtraks are a pain.Have any of you had problems with the troubleshooter? I am trying to uninstall it with no luck. Junky Its not the aimtraks that are the pain, its these old games that are the problem. About a year ago I got a new arcade cabinet and when I bought my 2 Aimtraks I set them to emulate a joystick instead of a mouse. This worked fine with MAMEUIFX and for other single player gun games (singe, PC games, etc) but I could never get the second player's gun to work in games outside MAMEUIFX, (eg,PC game HOTD). In retrospect, Since I never tried either the TS or TS2 app with my previous setup, im curious if there would be any benefit (or if it would even work with TS2) to go back to emulating the AimTraks as joysticks. Im going to work on my setup this evening using the method ParkerLewis suggested using both Aimtraks set to emulate mice, TS2 and Xpadder and see if that works for me but I was hoping for a solution that wasnt so labor intensive or convoluted. Adding both TS2 and Xpadder just adds more things to not only configure and learn, but also 2 more things to go wrong. I already have spent way too much time with Hyperspin/Hyperlaunch as well as Ledblinky , my wife is ready to divorce me! (my .02 cents for what their worth)
connorsdad Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Its not the aimtraks that are the pain, its these old games that are the problem.About a year ago I got a new arcade cabinet and when I bought my 2 Aimtraks I set them to emulate a joystick instead of a mouse. This worked fine with MAMEUIFX and for other single player gun games (singe, PC games, etc) but I could never get the second player's gun to work in games outside MAMEUIFX, (eg,PC game HOTD). In retrospect, Since I never tried either the TS or TS2 app with my previous setup, im curious if there would be any benefit (or if it would even work with TS2) to go back to emulating the AimTraks as joysticks. Im going to work on my setup this evening using the method ParkerLewis suggested using both Aimtraks set to emulate mice, TS2 and Xpadder and see if that works for me but I was hoping for a solution that wasnt so labor intensive or convoluted. Adding both TS2 and Xpadder just adds more things to not only configure and learn, but also 2 more things to go wrong. I already have spent way too much time with Hyperspin/Hyperlaunch as well as Ledblinky , my wife is ready to divorce me! (my .02 cents for what their worth) Hence the name, 'Grounds 4 Divorce'
ParkerLewis31884 Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Its not the aimtraks that are the pain, its these old games that are the problem.About a year ago I got a new arcade cabinet and when I bought my 2 Aimtraks I set them to emulate a joystick instead of a mouse. This worked fine with MAMEUIFX and for other single player gun games (singe, PC games, etc) but I could never get the second player's gun to work in games outside MAMEUIFX, (eg,PC game HOTD). In retrospect, Since I never tried either the TS or TS2 app with my previous setup, im curious if there would be any benefit (or if it would even work with TS2) to go back to emulating the AimTraks as joysticks. Im going to work on my setup this evening using the method ParkerLewis suggested using both Aimtraks set to emulate mice, TS2 and Xpadder and see if that works for me but I was hoping for a solution that wasnt so labor intensive or convoluted. Adding both TS2 and Xpadder just adds more things to not only configure and learn, but also 2 more things to go wrong. I already have spent way too much time with Hyperspin/Hyperlaunch as well as Ledblinky , my wife is ready to divorce me! (my .02 cents for what their worth) You'll require a TS or TS2 setup to make these PC games work - no choice there. Obviously I strongly suggest TS2 (and not TS) for the reasons mentioned in my tutorial. Xpadder just so happens to be the most robust (ie universal) way I found to actually be able to have the controls configured optimally for each game as you see fit - without it, in basically every game you'll get a different problem / issue, or will need remapping things in the AimTrak software 1) every time you want to play a game 2) the AimTrak software is laggy, buggy and simply a massive pain and 3) also only lets you map to a few preselected keys that may not be the ones needed by your game (which often does not give you the choice of keys for these kind of old games). To give a context, I had never used xpadder before and managed my way through without any real issue, so it's not that big a deal. Basically you simply register the different possible controls of your guns to the corresponding keyboard keys of your game (basically like you would in a modern game), you push the save button, and you put the name of the saved file in the .bat DOS script I provided. That's it IIRC. My advice is to get the gun tracking / movement part working. This is the only potentially painful part because there are a lot of things that are uncertain or semi-certain (game version, device ids, ...). Hopefully with the provided guide, and TS2 built-in status checking capabilities, a few trial/error tests should be enough and you shouldn't encounter any hair-pulling situation. When that is done, improve your life by using xpadder. It doesn't interact with the gun tracking / movement part (so messing up with xpadder won't risk messing up your aimtrak setup). Also once again, the xpadder set up is a one-time job per game (and when you've done it for one game and got it, it's a ~1 minute job to do it for other games). Afterwards, you just use the .bat script and never have to bother again.
Imagamejunky Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 READ THIS GUYS I learned yesterday from Sevenseal that the original troubleshooter program that so many people have recommended is a VERY bad program to run on a windows 8 or 8.1 pc. He said that it actually causes permanent damage to the OS that cannot be repaired. I didn't know this and I installed it on my new cabinet rig running win 8.1. Lately I've been having many weird intermittent buggy problems with my pc and now I'm thinking that this may be at least partially to blame. I'm very upset that with all of these tutorials and guides I have read and watched that nobody has mentioned NOT to install troubleshooter 1 on a windows 8 OS. This is awful. And the thought of completely starting over from scratch with a fresh OS install now makes me want to scream and cry. Don't do what I did. Wish me luck guys Junky The Gamejunky Cab: http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/topic/7191-project-gamejunky-cab/ My new youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC85zq3VgibnPTOkielbyRegInstagram: https://instagram.com/imagamejunky/
what2be Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 You'll require a TS or TS2 setup to make these PC games work - no choice there. Obviously I strongly suggest TS2 (and not TS) for the reasons mentioned in my tutorial.Xpadder just so happens to be the most robust (ie universal) way I found to actually be able to have the controls configured optimally for each game as you see fit - without it, in basically every game you'll get a different problem / issue, or will need remapping things in the AimTrak software 1) every time you want to play a game 2) the AimTrak software is laggy, buggy and simply a massive pain and 3) also only lets you map to a few preselected keys that may not be the ones needed by your game (which often does not give you the choice of keys for these kind of old games). To give a context, I had never used xpadder before and managed my way through without any real issue, so it's not that big a deal. Basically you simply register the different possible controls of your guns to the corresponding keyboard keys of your game (basically like you would in a modern game), you push the save button, and you put the name of the saved file in the .bat DOS script I provided. That's it IIRC. My advice is to get the gun tracking / movement part working. This is the only potentially painful part because there are a lot of things that are uncertain or semi-certain (game version, device ids, ...). Hopefully with the provided guide, and TS2 built-in status checking capabilities, a few trial/error tests should be enough and you shouldn't encounter any hair-pulling situation. When that is done, improve your life by using xpadder. It doesn't interact with the gun tracking / movement part (so messing up with xpadder won't risk messing up your aimtrak setup). Also once again, the xpadder set up is a one-time job per game (and when you've done it for one game and got it, it's a ~1 minute job to do it for other games). Afterwards, you just use the .bat script and never have to bother again. Got HOTD and HOTD3 working fine using TS2, but having a problem with TS2 and HOTD2. Im guessing its a game version mismatch with TS2, but I cant figure out how to determine what version of HOTD2 I own, I simply downloaded all 3 HOTD's as a "set" a few years back. I have noticed that when you play the game it displays certiain text in japenese. Maybe I need to find a new version of HOTD2 to work with TS2. To be fair, I havent tried *all* the HOTD2 versions in TS2 yet so maybe it will work after all but previously i read in this thread that others had the same issue as me getting their version of HOTD2 to work with one of the supported ones in TS2. Lastly, im not sure why, and maybe im wrong but I could have sworn when I played HOTD3 with the original trobleshooter app a week or so ago you had to shoot offscreen to reload, yet when I play it now with TS2 you dont have to shoot offscreen, you just keep pulling the trigger and it reloads. Is this how its supposed to be? One more thing.. I have xpadder, been playing with it for a few minutes but I cant figure out if im setting up the aimtrak right. I click the wrench icon next to the device gun in xpadder then clicked below on buttons and set up 4 buttons (on/off screen on both buttons) but then I click on the triggers icon below buttons and click identify and it asks me to pull the trigger and it finishes. Is that how Im supposed to be creating the base profiles for the guns? I went to another screen after I save that profile and it let me assign the left/right mouse buttons to the trigger but Im still not sure Im setting it up correctly.
ParkerLewis31884 Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 Got HOTD and HOTD3 working fine using TS2, but having a problem with TS2 and HOTD2. Im guessing its a game version mismatch with TS2, but I cant figure out how to determine what version of HOTD2 I own, I simply downloaded all 3 HOTD's as a "set" a few years back. I have noticed that when you play the game it displays certiain text in japenese. Maybe I need to find a new version of HOTD2 to work with TS2. To be fair, I havent tried *all* the HOTD2 versions in TS2 yet so maybe it will work after all but previously i read in this thread that others had the same issue as me getting their version of HOTD2 to work with one of the supported ones in TS2. Indeed, if you have only tried one of the 3 versions, there's a big chance it simply wasnt the good one Lastly, im not sure why, and maybe im wrong but I could have sworn when I played HOTD3 with the original trobleshooter app a week or so ago you had to shoot offscreen to reload, yet when I play it now with TS2 you dont have to shoot offscreen, you just keep pulling the trigger and it reloads. Is this how its supposed to be? HOTD 3 PC has never required me to shoot offscreen either. I'm pretty sure that's just the way it is for the PC version at least. One more thing.. I have xpadder, been playing with it for a few minutes but I cant figure out if im setting up the aimtrak right. I click the wrench icon next to the device gun in xpadder then clicked below on buttons and set up 4 buttons (on/off screen on both buttons) but then I click on the triggers icon below buttons and click identify and it asks me to pull the trigger and it finishes. Is that how Im supposed to be creating the base profiles for the guns? I went to another screen after I save that profile and it let me assign the left/right mouse buttons to the trigger but Im still not sure Im setting it up correctly. Well I just did it once, a few months ago... but here you are : * In the AimTrak soiftware, button assignment is as follows (same for each and every game as the point is to never use this again) : On Screen TRIG : Mouse Left On Screen LEFT : GP Button 1 On Screen RIGHT : GP Button 3 Off Screen TRIG : Mouse Right Off Screen LEFT : GP Button 2 Off Screen RIGHT : GP Button 4 Emulate Mouse * In Xpadder - Each of my two aimtraks (automatically named ATRAK Device #1 and ATRAK Device #2 by Xpadder) have been set up this way : According to the previous AimTrak software setup to get it to recognize Button 1 : press left while onscreen, and then name this "Button 1" to get it to recognize Button 2 : press left while offscreen, and then name this "Button 2" to get it to recognize Button 3 : press right while onscreen, and then name this "Button 3" to get it to recognize Button 4 : press right while offscreen, and then name this "Button 4" (i managed to get buttons 5 to 8 by doing it twice, but just ignore this as you cant use buttons 8 buttons at the same time anyway) - Then for HOTD 3 PC (for example), I set up For P1 Button 1 as W (for my HOTD 3 PC version and my french keyboard layout, that leads to reload) Button 2 as W (for my HOTD 3 PC version and my french keyboard layout, that leads to reload) Button 3 as A (for my HOTD 3 PC version and my french keyboard layout, that leads to start) Button 4 as A (for my HOTD 3 PC version and my french keyboard layout, that leads to start) Which I saved under the name "HOTD3 P1" For P2 Button 1 as B Button 2 as B Button 3 as T Button 4 as T Which I saved under the name "HOTD3 P2" In all cases, you can just check your HOTD 3 PC config to see what key inputs are expected : in my version, start is Q, reload is Z. With a US (qwerty) keyboard, you'd just need to config as Q and Z. Because of my azerty layout (Q<->A, Z<->W), i had to swap. For P2, B and T buttons are at the same position on the keyboard in both french and us layouts, so it should be the same for you (again, if your hotd 3 pc version also has the same keyboard mapping).
SzebaHUN Posted July 15, 2019 Posted July 15, 2019 Can you upload the olda troubleshooter app please somewhere? I cant find it anywhere i was googleing for it an hour and nothing:(
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