Panasonic 3DO - 4do or Retroarch (4do core) with secondary Phoenix? - A PROJECT

[phantasy]

I'll wish to help the scene when there is a lack of complete info in one place... the Panasonic 3DO comes to mind. Anyone interested in helping this with me? My goals:

 

1. Completing a game/software-list for HyperSpin and for Gamefaq, Wikipedia, No-Intro, etc.

2. Test everything in the needed emulators

3. Update the HyperSpin database/wheels
4. Post a plaintext game list for easy reference.

 

Wikipedia's game list varies greatly from other sites, and many Japanese games don't make any list at all. Is the limited Panasonic 3DO database (and perhaps all HS lists) more a 1G1R (one game one region) or a 'currently playable/working' list that needs updating?

 

I've been working hard updating my collection by converting all backup folders with .ccd, .cue, .img, .sub to cleaner .iso and .cue files. I created the cues by using a working one as a template and then just editing the filename within the quotes and tested with 4DO. I can help anyone to do this too.

 

Be careful- if a game 'breaks' (only temporarily), check your cue file for the line about MODE1/2048 vs MODE1/2352. If 4DO loads a game as 'unknown game' then that game was set in your cue file as the wrong number! Edit it to the other one and this likely will fix most problems. I plan to test this method on Sega CD, and other disc systems.

 

Next, I'll test all software in all 3DO emulators but... about Retroarch: It uses one 3DO core- the currently up to date 4DO core of ver 1.3.2.3 (looked in the 4do_libretro.info file). IF on 4DO version 1.3.2.3, is testing in one the same as the other? If games load/work in 4DO would it still be prudent to do so in RetroArch or vice versa? I'm willing to do the homework and test EVERY game but if someone knows I'd rather save the time. If the same, I'd prefer to test solely on 4DO 1.3.2.4 (current).

 

Any ALREADY known problematic games that need an alternate emulator? 4DO is already based on FreeDO, but there are two Russian ones, 3DOPlay, which has an English version, and Phoenix. I fumbled through Phoenix barely enough but would need Russian help, or get it set merely to run with HyperSpin doing the heavy lifting.

 

Where is the best place in the forums to post a gamelist? If I don't hear otherwise, I'll assume here is as good as anyplace.

[Guest]

I'll wish to help the scene when there is a lack of complete info in one place... the Panasonic 3DO comes to mind. Anyone interested in helping this with me? My goals:

 

1. Completing a game/software-list for HyperSpin and for Gamefaq, Wikipedia, No-Intro, etc.

2. Test everything in the needed emulators

3. Update the HyperSpin database/wheels

4. Post a plaintext game list for easy reference.

 

Wikipedia's game list varies greatly from other sites, and many Japanese games don't make any list at all. Is the limited Panasonic 3DO database (and perhaps all HS lists) more a 1G1R (one game one region) or a 'currently playable/working' list that needs updating?

 

I've been working hard updating my collection by converting all backup folders with .ccd, .cue, .img, .sub to cleaner .iso and .cue files. I created the cues by using a working one as a template and then just editing the filename within the quotes and tested with 4DO. I can help anyone to do this too.

 

Be careful- if a game 'breaks' (only temporarily), check your cue file for the line about MODE1/2048 vs MODE1/2352. If 4DO loads a game as 'unknown game' then that game was set in your cue file as the wrong number! Edit it to the other one and this likely will fix most problems. I plan to test this method on Sega CD, and other disc systems.

 

Next, I'll test all software in all 3DO emulators but... about Retroarch: It uses one 3DO core- the currently up to date 4DO core of ver 1.3.2.3 (looked in the 4do_libretro.info file). IF on 4DO version 1.3.2.3, is testing in one the same as the other? If games load/work in 4DO would it still be prudent to do so in RetroArch or vice versa? I'm willing to do the homework and test EVERY game but if someone knows I'd rather save the time. If the same, I'd prefer to test solely on 4DO 1.3.2.4 (current).

 

Any ALREADY known problematic games that need an alternate emulator? 4DO is already based on FreeDO, but there are two Russian ones, 3DOPlay, which has an English version, and Phoenix. I fumbled through Phoenix barely enough but would need Russian help, or get it set merely to run with HyperSpin doing the heavy lifting.

 

Where is the best place in the forums to post a gamelist? If I don't hear otherwise, I'll assume here is as good as anyplace.

 

 

We already have a pretty decent database for 3DO.  Make sure to use that as a base - if you find extra games or changes that need making to the list.  Let me know and we can open a proper thread for it.

 

Also, please don't use RetroArch for play testing.  This should really be done in the actual emulator(s).

[JoyStickKilla]

We already have a pretty decent database for 3DO.  Make sure to use that as a base - if you find extra games or changes that need making to the list.  Let me know and we can open a proper thread for it.

 

Also, please don't use RetroArch for play testing.  This should really be done in the actual emulator(s).

 

That's dumb.

[Guest]

That's dumb.

 

 

Thanks.  Not entirely sure that's helpful.

 

Having play tested hundreds of games for databases - I can assure you the best way to do it is with the emulator itself and not through RetroArch.  In simple terms, RA is an emulator of emulators - meaning that it adds an extra set of software layers, which can often get in the way.  Also, the emulator libraries that RA uses aren't alway the latest - and if we are testing games to make sure they work etc.  we always want to be using the latest versions, or at least we need control over the version of the emulator to use.  As an extra point, not all emulator settings are exposed through RA, therefore for the greatest control the emulator itself should be used.

 

Exactly what do you think to be 'dumb' about my suggestion?

[JoyStickKilla]

Why would you not test games with RA? That is completely silly.

[Guest]

Why would you not test games with RA? That is completely silly.

 

 

I've added detail to my answer above.

[JoyStickKilla]

In a lot of cases the cores in RA have some improvements over the standalone emulator. Just because emulator settings aren't "exposed" doesn't mean anything, if a game works then it works and who cares what settings you didn't have. No RA is not an emulator of emulators, I am sorry but you are confused on what it is as you don't seem to be there 100% there. RA runs the base emulator code for a system.....as it turns out just like the standalone emulator does,  and no it doesn't "get in the way". 

 

There are games I have seen not run or run like crap on the "not emulator of emulator version" as you would probably call it but actually run or run better in RA. 

 

So yeah, saying not to test games at all in RA is as I said....dumb.

[Guest]

In a lot of cases the cores in RA have some improvements over the standalone emulator. Just because emulator settings aren't "exposed" doesn't mean anything, if a game works then it works and who cares what settings you didn't have. No RA is not an emulator of emulators, I am sorry but you are confused on what it is as you don't seem to be there 100% there. RA runs the base emulator code for a system.....as it turns out just like the standalone emulator does,  and no it doesn't "get in the way". 

 

There are games I have seen not run or run like crap on the "not emulator of emulator version" as you would probably call it but actually run or run better in RA. 

 

So yeah, saying not to test games at all in RA is as I said....dumb.

 

 

I'm sorry - but what you're stating there just isn't true.  And rather rude, but hey I'm a big lad.

 

For official databases, we prefer testing to be done in the actual emulator, for the reasons I've mentioned above.

[phantasy]

JoyStickKilla, nothing against you, but would it not have been more direct and productive to have chimed in on your third replay the first time? Correct in whole or part, the information is helpful. There may be some truth in both of your statements, and after validation by my research I can test both Retroarch, if needed, and 4DO which is currently one decimal version ahead. Whatever the outcome, we learn and help others. On that, would anyone request any of the other emulators to test?

 

tonesmalone, thank you and yes I'd like to start a proper thread. Since my first post, I have tested all my games in 4DO from my collection not currently supported by HyperSpin. There are quite a few and nearly all work! So far only 4 discs don't and 2 of them are bonus disc audio discs!  Granted, many are Japanese games but hopefully this may inspire future fan translations of the good ones.  There are some strange entries that may be unofficial / UNL 'games' which are more girly videos, but then there is a fun Dennis Miller SNL related title too. Please let me know how best to help.

[Guest]

JoyStickKilla, nothing against you, but would it not have been more direct and productive to have chimed in on your third replay the first time? Correct in whole or part, the information is helpful. There may be some truth in both of your statements, and after validation by my research I can test both Retroarch, if needed, and 4DO which is currently one decimal version ahead. Whatever the outcome, we learn and help others. On that, would anyone request any of the other emulators to test?

tonesmalone, thank you and yes I'd like to start a proper thread. Since my first post, I have tested all my games in 4DO from my collection not currently supported by HyperSpin. There are quite a few and nearly all work! So far only 4 discs don't and 2 of them are bonus disc audio discs! Granted, many are Japanese games but hopefully this may inspire future fan translations of the good ones. There are some strange entries that may be unofficial / UNL 'games' which are more girly videos, but then there is a fun Dennis Miller SNL related title too. Please let me know how best to help.

When you say "not supported by HyperSpin" do you mean that they are not in the official list?

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[phantasy]

Ah, yes.  That was just my temp folder name. I haven't delved into creating custom xml files, wheels, or anything HS yet. Just getting organized FOR that purpose.

[Guest]

Ah, yes. That was just my temp folder name. I haven't delved into creating custom xml files, wheels, or anything HS yet. Just getting organized FOR that purpose.

Cool. Let me get a thread sorted and we can go from there.

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[phantasy]

Ok- keep me posted and link me over to it when you are ready please.

[phantasy]

Update: testing going strong- but could use a hand with what some other 3DO fans may already know.  Which Japanese titles are duplicates of USA/EUROPE titles?

 

Also, if anyone has information on the following titles found from various websites? Which are english translations of Japanese titles? Are any of these titles really just misnomers for other games?

 

3DO Magazines 1-13
Nontan to Issho - Hoshi no Okurimono (ja)
11th hour
absolute zero
Aesop's Fables - The Ants and the Grasshoppers Vol. 1
3DO de ''Shiru'' ''Miru'' ''Asobu'' Nakajima Miyuki (ja)
AID2 RUS
ARPM (JAP)
Achieve Peace
Air Warrior
Baldies
Battery Navi
BIOS Fear
Cadillacs & Dinosaurs
Clayfighter II
Confrontation - Wax Water
Dennis Miller: It's Geek to Me
Dinoblaze
Dragon Knight III
Firewolves
Flopon World (JAP)
Flopon the Space Mutant
Football: Defensive Backfield
Football: Linemen
Football: Quarterback
Football: Receiver
Global Defense
Global FH (Field Hunter)
Golden Gate - Treasure by the Bay
Grandest Fleet
Heart of Darkness
Hello Kitty Asobi no Mochabako
Hello Kitty Toy Box
High Heat Major League Baseball 2003
Humans
Inspector Danger's Crime Quiz
Golf Ba Multimedia Shinchaku
Heisei Kaiunreki (JAP)
ISMI Racing (M2)
Iida Joji Nightmare Interactive: Moon Cradle-Igyou no Hanayome
Jieitai World (ja)
Lawnmower Man
Loadstar - Legend of Tully Bodine
Lost Vikings
Lost Vikings 2
Love Bites
Maafi da yo Zenin Shuugou
Magic Carpet
Mahjong Enlightenment Sky - Heaven Sent
Mad Dog II - the Lost Gold (Arcade Prototype)
Monoshiri Koro Yuugaku
Naoko to Hide Bou: Sansuu no Tensai 1
Naoko to Hide Bou: Sansuu no Tensai 2
Multimedia Shinsho - Driving School (ja)
Montan To Issho Anime (JAP)
Naoko to Hide Bou - Kanji no Tensai 2 (ja)
NFS (Speed hack by Versus)
Prime Suspect
Road Rash Nitro by ПАУК
Rush 'n' Fire Megadas (JAP)
Santa Fe Trail
Scorched Earth (Brilliant game)
Seawolf SSN-21
Skateboard Parts
Shooter 2D (M2)
Star Wars Chess
T&E VR Golf (JAP)
TestJoy
Ultimate Mortal Kombat Art

Worldcup Super Stadium
3DO Action Pak
3DO Maniac Pack
Peter Pan: A Story Painting Adventure
Theo The Dinosaur
Tigernaut: Beyond the Stars
Together With Nontan - The Star's Gift
ISIS - Earth, Wind, and Fire
Silly Classix! At the Museum
Wing Commander IV
Winners Take All

[phantasy]

Another gamelist found on a french website:

 

http://gamopat.com/article-1972457.html

[thcdgaf]

Thanks. Not entirely sure that's helpful.

Having play tested hundreds of games for databases - I can assure you the best way to do it is with the emulator itself and not through RetroArch. In simple terms, RA is an emulator of emulators - meaning that it adds an extra set of software layers, which can often get in the way. Also, the emulator libraries that RA uses aren't alway the latest - and if we are testing games to make sure they work etc. we always want to be using the latest versions, or at least we need control over the version of the emulator to use. As an extra point, not all emulator settings are exposed through RA, therefore for the greatest control the emulator itself should be used.

Exactly what do you think to be 'dumb' about my suggestion?

well my two cents from avvid retroarch person I don't think its dumb to not test on retroarch in past know to have outdated cores and mame is prime example testing on actual emulator works better if it don't work on it then its waste of time on retroarch cores are based off original emulators happy spinning may wheel be with you and im with tones on this one

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[Guest]

Apologies for the delay, had a crazy week.

 

Anyway, here is the official thread.  I've also included links to the HS Database Guidelines and Official Genres for reference.

 

Good luck!

 

http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/topic/27951-official-panasonic-3do-xml-database-thread/