reddye5 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Hi Guys, I'm new here and so glad that I have come across this amazing community and this killer piece of software. I'm in a desperate state here. I am buying a computer solely to run the newest version of Hyperspin in an arcade cab on an LCD screen. Now I have a choice between the two computers below, and I have one hour to decide, or the guy is selling one of them to someone else. Which computer is better in terms of Hyperspin performance and gaming in general? Here they are: Ax 3400 AMD Athlon II X4 635(2.90GHz), 4gb DDR 3, GeForce 9200 integrated card, 1 tb had, win 7 home premium vs. Acer AX3810U1802 Desktop PC Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 2.5GHz 6GB DDR3, x2500 integrated card, 1TB HDD Win 7 home premium Any help is truly appreciated. Thanks, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemaker72 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Are these exceptionally cheap - I think the core 2 is 4 generations old (core 2, sandy, ivy, haswell)? I think they are both underpowered for modern systems (HiGan-SNES, PSX, PS2, GC, Wii). The only real advice is: AMD system has a graphics card- you will need to add this to the intel one as integrated graphics don't' work with HS. What speed are the HDDs- 5400 or 7200? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddye5 Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 HDs are 7200. Each computer is $155. Are they fast enough to run the Hyperspin animations without stutter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddye5 Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 Any other advice out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njgsx96 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Either one would be enough to run Hyperspin and most emulators. I say most meaning MAME, NES, TG16, Genesis... the older emulators. The newer ones for the PS1, PS2, XBOX, Dreamcast, Gamecube, etc would tax it too much. But that is a pretty decent price for either and I think if you wanted a cabinet to run MAME for that arcade feel, either would be a good buy. Personally, I would grab the Intel PC. With that being said, remember that these machines are fairly old and used electronics aren't always the safest bet but at a good price, could be worth the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddye5 Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 Thanks ngjsx96! Another forum member stated that Hyperin won't work with integrated Intel graphics card, so I would have to buy another card. Is that true to your experience. I thought HS didn't really use the gfx card, only the CPU and ram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemaker72 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 No, it definitely won't run with integrated graphics. I have a haswell with HD 4000+ graphics and the videos won't display. It is a driver issue- intel drivers are bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njgsx96 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 My cabinet is running an E8400 Core 2 Duo 3.0 CPU and it started out life as a simple integrated graphics cabinet. PS1 was a stretch but everything prior to it ran perfectly fine - MAME, NES, SNES, all Atari, Sega Genesis, Sega CD and Sega 32x and some Taito Type X games. All animations played fine, no stutter, no lag, no issues. It wasn't until I got Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition for Taito Type X where I found it had become not enough. That is when I realized I needed more and at that point up picked up an nVidia card on the cheap, which made all the difference. Now I can play SSF IV AE as well as PC Games that suit a cabinet (new Strider, SF and Tekken series, etc) and they all run with no lag. But you can always add a card later so if you just want the basics for now and then some, you should have no issues with either of those PCs. Hell, I just started building a personal bartop and loaded Hyperspin up an old Dell GX520 which has a Pentium 4 HT 3.0 CPU and Hyperspin and MAME run fine. There is a touch of slowness sometimes when moving from system to themed game with video playing in the Hyperspin menus but it is barely noticeable and I could swear it doesn't do it all the time and wonder if someone who didn't know any better would even notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njgsx96 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 No, it definitely won't run with integrated graphics. I have a haswell with HD 4000+ graphics and the videos won't display. It is a driver issue- intel drivers are bad... The 4000 GPU has a problem playing MP4s for some reason. It will play the FLV files just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemaker72 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 What systems are you interested in? These boxes won't run all the current mame CHD games that are playable. Probably not a big loss though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddye5 Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 Thanks guys. Lovemaker72 with that being said, which comp would you buy if you were me? I'm not not really interested in the newer systems, pretty much MAME, SNES, NES, Daphne, Genesis, Sega CD. Etc. I just want Hyperspin to run smoothly with advanced animations, and get the most performance bang. I'm willing to buy a card later if the Intel is the better performing computer overall, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemaker72 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Interesting. I was under the impression that the FLV videos caused lockups in the current version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemaker72 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Get the intel box! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njgsx96 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Interesting. I was under the impression that the FLV videos caused lockups in the current version. Going through the Intel 4000HD thread, I see that there were a few people that said they could not get FLV to work either but there are a lot more that say it works just fine, with new or old versions of Hyperspin. Maybe try and download a few from emumovies and see how it is on your system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddye5 Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 Thank you so much guys! I really appreciate your help. Intel box it is. I'm so excited to dig in to all the awesomeness that is Hyperspin! Take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark13 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 A core i5 is roughly 2x more powerful than a core 2quad. As someone pointed in another discussion an improved SSE instruction set seems to add a bit more "fuel" with some emulators. A core2quad/athlon x4 can run psx, snes (higan x64 is barely fullspeed, some slowdown may happen), dreamcast (nulldc only, demul need more power), psp, 3do (forget about 640*480 rendering or image filtering in 4do), mame (cave sh3 games need more power just as 3dfx atari games), model 2, model 3 (v0.3 is really FAST), saturn, megadrive/32x/segacd. pcsx2 is just beyond any help with a core2quad or an athlon x4 (this emulator got a HUGE slowdown, with older builds i played shadow of the colussus with very few slowdowns on my q6600 @3.2 ghz). Some dolphin games will run but demanding games will have HUGE slowdown. Demul is another emulator power-hungry... and it needs also a good videocard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddye5 Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 Hey Guys, I am looking at a computer with the following specs for my bar top: CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) Motherboard: MSI P67A-GD65 (B3) Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 6870 Black Edition 1GB RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 Power Supply: Rosewill LIGHTNING-1000 1000W 80 PLUS GOLD Modular Active Hard Drive: 1tb (doesn't come with it. I have to buy) Optical Drive: Asus DVDR Drive CPU Cooling: CORSAIR Hydro Series H60 Windows 7 Pro Here's the thing, the motherboard is 12" x 9.6". I'm thinking that is too big. I am using a Samsung 204b 20.1" 4x3 monitor in it which is 17.5" wide, so the 12" L should be fine. It's the 9.6" mobo depth that worries. The computer without hard drive is $300. I have Windows 7 Pro and figure I could pick up a 1tb HDD for like $60. So I was thinking that this is a good deal. What do you guys think? Is the comp listed a good deal at $300 (w/o Hdd) and if so, is a full atx board too big for this bar top? Any opinions are appreciated. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddye5 Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 Any advice on my above post? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMxRetro Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 is a full atx board too big for this bar top? Any opinions are appreciated. Thanks. With the greatest of respect, it's a bit tough to tell you without having any plans for your bartop cabinet to hand. Its sort of like you're asking "will this Hummer fit in the parking space that's outside of my house?" and expecting us to be able to answer correctly when all we know is which Hummer you're buying. We don't know how big the space is, or even where you live to be able to look it up on StreetView. At this point, we have absolutely no way of being able to tell you, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinwebb Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 why not get a mini itx board to be on the safe side, just built a new pc for my bartop and its a 4760k, mini itx asus board with 16gb ram and it runs everything perfectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddye5 Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 Hi KMXRetro, you're absolutely right. I was not specific enough. I am building the bar top from scratch. So, I can make it any size I want, I am just wondering in the opinion of people here on the board with bar top making experience if a full size atx board would be too large for a resaonable sized bar top machine. My plans are to go with a variation on the Weecade design, but wider to accommodate my larger 20.1" 5x4 monitor. Hey Justinwebb, Frankly I am on a pretty tight budget. My max budget is around $350 on the computer. I'm so desperate to get something that will run all the way up to: Naomi, Taito Type x2 and Dreamcast that I am currently gambling hard by looking on Craigslist for used computers. I know, not a good move. This i5 2500k I listed above seemed to have all I need at $300. I just needed a hard drive. To be honest, I'm so desperate to start working on this project that I am flailing to get a computer to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark13 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 ITX mainboard tends to be a little pricey. Maybe mATX is the right choice if you're on a budget A 2500k is an "old" but still good cpu, especially if you can overclock it (it reach lower frequencies but has less heat issues compared to 4670k). 4670k seems to be better on dolphin/pcsx thanks to improved SSE instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddye5 Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 Hey Dark, thanks. regarding the i5 2500k specs comp I listed on the previous page, do you think that's a good deal for that comp? The 4670 seems pretty pricey. It's the processor new is more expensive than the whole computer I listed would the i5 2500k run Naomi, Taito Type x2 and Dreamcast emulators smoothly without needing over clocking? Not really super concerned about dolphin and pcsx emulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark13 Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 2500k, corsair h60, hd6870 and a decent PSU for 300$ yeah, it's a good deal if everything is in perfect conditions. p67 is an old chipset but it has overclock features. taito type X does not need a powerhouse (ati videocard MAY be a problem with some games), nulldc is not power hungry either. Some problems may come with demul and naomi2 but a standard 2500k should have enough power to reach fullspeed. Remember that naomi's 2 T&L extra chip is not emulated yet or has a REALLY BAD emulation (as far as I remember naomi2 is made from 2 naomi board + a T&L chip). Overclock is always good with emulators and h60 is fine for overclock a 2500k JUst check the heatsink, h60 tends to have problems as years pass by... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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