Jumpstile Posted August 11, 2013 Author Posted August 11, 2013 Thanks... I'm going to keep this thread alive until someone acknowledges that this ifs a problem that will be addressed. It's truly a dealbreaker for me. - J*
FlyinWhee Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Found this thread while looking for solutions - I have the same problem. I'll let my Hyperspin setup idle overnight (just turning off the monitor) and more often than not, it'll be on that white screen with the exclamation point. I've only had my setup running for the last 2-3 weeks, but it's happening pretty consistently here. On the suggestion of disabling updates, it's not an issue here, my cabinet isn't even connected to the network here, and when I do kill Hyperspin, there are no notifications or anything suggesting Windows transfered the focus away from Hyperspin or anything of the sort. Obviously I'll keep looking and report anything I can find, but "testing" solutions takes a long time, given the frequency of the crashes.
joshleedotcom Posted September 22, 2013 Posted September 22, 2013 I just upgraded to a Core i3-3210, MSI H61 mobo, 8GB ram, Crucial M4 SSD. Reinstalled and configured Hyperspin. It did not fix the problem.
Jumpstile Posted September 26, 2013 Author Posted September 26, 2013 I'm still having the problem as well. - J*
Polemicist Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 I'm still having the problem as well. - J* Crazy question. Is there a log file that shows what happens when HS crashes while in attract mode like that? I'm just wondering as I was reading that thread about errors with strobe in themes and was wondering if that was related. I know it might be far fetched but this thread is pretty old and I mean it is you Jump so I can only assume you tried everything sensible. Spock: If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
Deadly Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 I'll throw out a few more ideas to try. Open a command prompt and run sfc /scannow Set your power management schemes to High Performance, go into advanced settings and disable ANY power savings modes that might be enabled. Go into your BIOS and disable Speedstep (if you have that option) If you have an SSD drive, update your firmware and run a full drive integrity scan with whatever tool the manufacturer supplies Update your video drivers. On a side note, since I have upgraded from Win7 to Win8 I have not seen this error again. Luck? Maybe. I'm also curious if there's any commonality of what video cards are being used in the systems having problems. When I upgraded I also swapped out video cards. Went from ATI to Nvidia.
Polemicist Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 Actually that's a good point deadly. What are the system specs of the PC's that have this issue?
joshleedotcom Posted October 20, 2013 Posted October 20, 2013 @Deadly All super good advice. The only thing I haven't tried here is Windows 8. Not sure if I want to spend any more money on trying to fix this issue, though.
emb Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 Upgrading wont help. I experience the same issue on windows 8. It normally happens whenever I have a bunch of friends over to show off my setup . Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 2
Roadrunner Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 Okay, I'm not technical at all but came across this thread and I'll throw out an idea... somebody mentioned the exclamation point happens for Flash programs. I realize that the videos are MP4 but arent' the themes built with flash? I know there's some flash in the themes right? So maybe it's a problem on that front?
emb Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 I am going to try downgrading to an older version of flash and see if the issue dissapears. It would be nice to help rule if it some kind of flash/hyperspin compatibility issue because of a flash upgrade. I will start at flash 10.3 and work my way down. Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 2
Deadly Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 I actually had the ole issue pop up again the other day. 5 or 6 days without a reboot is when it happened. I'm sorry I never meant to say "Load Windows 8 if fixes everything". Clearly it doesn't Hey emb, you can try downgrading flash or simply rename your theme folder and let it ride for a week Hey, if it doesn't crap out then we know it's either flash itself or something to do with the themes themselves. But then again, this maneuver doesn't help eliminate the possibility of MP4 issues lol.
emb Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 Before downgrading flash, I decided to remove the mp4 videos from my video folder. After running for a couple hours I have not seen it crash. Does hyperspin rely on an external mp4 codec or flash functionality for playback (it has been years since I wrote in actionscript)? I suppose that might be a question for BadBoyBill. It smells like some sort of race condition. It seems at least that video playback is correlated to the white screen exclamation (flash crash). I personally have not seen it in 1.2. Is it possible that it is contributed to loading mp4 files or some sort of memory leak? I'm currently running this on 64 bit windows 8. I believe I have also seen this on windows xp as well. I do have power saving enabled to turn off the monitor when idle for around 15 minutes. Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 2
emb Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 I let the cabinet run overnight without mp4 video. No crashes occured overnight. Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 2
emb Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 After some more testing, seems like there is a memory leak when new themes are loaded. Something is not getting deallocated. I put the mp4 videos back into hyperspin and let it run while I was at work. I came home and seen the white screen exclamation. I took a look at my ram utilization for hyperspin, it was rather high. After getting home, Iaunched up hyperspin and opened up the mame wheel. I then manually scrolled to watch a couple themes play out. Each time I checked to see if my RAM utilization increased (it did as I thought). After reaching 1gb of RAM, Hyperspin crashed. There was still a bit of RAM available (8gb in my system). My guess is that the leak has been there all along, the mp4 video playback just makes it easier to expose the leak. Are the themes being cached? Is there a set cache size for them? Are they getting deallocated when the cache is full? I know actionscript has a klunky implemention of garbage collection. My guess is that an object is not getting destroyed because something still has a handle on it. I can only make blind assumptions Take it with a grain of salt. Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 2
Polemicist Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Considering the number of small files in the media folder and the serious huge number of files I wouldn't be surprised by a memory leak. Interesting find.
Jumpstile Posted October 31, 2013 Author Posted October 31, 2013 ...Now to get BadBoyBill to look at this thread... Any acknowledgement would be appreciated! - J*
baddeolv Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Memory leak is a definite possibility. Themes that use a certain type of flash, cause memory leaks, it's confirmed and was brought to my attention years ago by BadBoyBill. I believe it is related to action script if I recall correctly
emb Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 Just a little status update on testing the issue: I have upgraded to windows 8.1, and tried the latest version of flash. I also even tried running a version of flash to help rule out any flash versioning issues. I have also updated my ATI graphics drivers, and disabled sleep management. Signs show it is pointing more towards a memory leak in HyperSpin. The memory utilization still goes up over time and ultimately crashes. I would attempt downgrading to windows 7 although I don't think that would resolve the issue (i also don't have a copy of win 7). Ultimately I think I am blocked and have exhausted all options (with the exception of downgrading to win 7 64-bit)....I think I give up Since I have a lot of buddies who use this cab, I think i will throw maximus arcade on there for the time being. It's not as aesthetically pleasing, but it will work.
Deadly Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 Just a little status update on testing the issue:I have upgraded to windows 8.1, and tried the latest version of flash. I also even tried running a version of flash to help rule out any flash versioning issues. I have also updated my ATI graphics drivers, and disabled sleep management. Signs show it is pointing more towards a memory leak in HyperSpin. The memory utilization still goes up over time and ultimately crashes. I would attempt downgrading to windows 7 although I don't think that would resolve the issue (i also don't have a copy of win 7). Ultimately I think I am blocked and have exhausted all options (with the exception of downgrading to win 7 64-bit)....I think I give up Since I have a lot of buddies who use this cab, I think i will throw maximus arcade on there for the time being. It's not as aesthetically pleasing, but it will work. I think you pretty well nailed it down. I went from Windows 7 to Windows 8 and the problem followed so don;t even bother downgrading. It's a minor enough issue - hell I'll even call it a minor annoyance. If it was an actual show stopper then I'd be bitching up a storm lol. Thanks for looking into emb.
Jumpstile Posted November 6, 2013 Author Posted November 6, 2013 It's not a "minor annoyance" to me. It IS a show stopper. I am seriously considering a different front end. There just isn't enough emphasis on squashing bugs here. I've been bitching about this bug for quite a while and I've gotten no response from anyone who can do anything about it. - J*
emb Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 I agree, it is frustruating when friends come over and end up seeing the white exclamation mark. I would like my system to run flawlessly and not have to tinker with it while they are playing my cab. But to be realistic, this is a hobby project and the developers have personal lives. They are working on HyperSpin in their own free time. I also understand it takes time and effort to fix these bugs. With that. I will just run a different frontend on my cabinets until then. I don't have many systems setup so it shouldn't be too much of a problem. The only sacrifice for me is the setup and the loss of eye candy Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 2
Jumpstile Posted November 6, 2013 Author Posted November 6, 2013 I totally understand your point, and I agree to a point, but there are a ton of people in this community willing to help and maybe just having one person doing programming for the main Hyperspin application is not in the best interest of the project. I've patiently waited since February to get this bug even acknowledged, and I've gotten nothing. Frustrating. There's so much effort going into other areas of the Hyperspin experience, but none being put into the back end. - J*
zerojay Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 I haven't had any of these kinds of issues since dumping flv videos personally, but I also don't leave my HS running for hours at a time unattended either. It sure would be nice to have these kinds of issues cleaned up. Sure wish HS was open source or someone would create a fully-compatible open source frontend for the community.
emb Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 The mp4 videos I am using came from emumovies via HyperSync. Could it be something with the codec and video format? Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 2
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.