SuperModel3

[lukebrynycz]

I have most emulators working except for the SuperModel3 one. My current onboard graphics card (Intel 946gz) appears to have OpenGL support added in 2008, and it shows as version 2.0 in a GL test, but I just couldn't get it working. I even tried adding the nospotlight shader as recommended in their help section, but it still didn't like it.

I'm wanting to get a better graphics card. I have AGP on the board (Fujitsu Siemens D2660). Am I right in saying the max memory for an AGP card is 512mb? I was looking at this card, would this be a huge step up from my current card?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EVGA-GF-6200-512MB-AGP-GRAPHICS-CARD-/181169617397?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item2a2e8cf9f5#ht_3288wt_784

[gigapig]

Anything has to be better than the intel chip.

Have a look at these, I think these were the last cards before agp died.

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PNY-Verto-GeForce-7600-GS-256-MB-AGP-Graphics-Card-/281151449966?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item4175eeab6e

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-ATI-Radeon-9600-XT-256MB-AGP-Graphics-Card-9600XT-1-Year-Warranty-/251320590236?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item3a83dfdf9c

[lukebrynycz]

Anything has to be better than the intel chip.

Have a look at these, I think these were the last cards before agp died.

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PNY-Verto-GeForce-7600-GS-256-MB-AGP-Graphics-Card-/281151449966?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item4175eeab6e

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-ATI-Radeon-9600-XT-256MB-AGP-Graphics-Card-9600XT-1-Year-Warranty-/251320590236?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item3a83dfdf9c

Thanks for the quick reply. I have just compared them on a known GPU checker and it would appear that the 7600 has the better overall spec. The ATI 9600 has a better clock speed but most other specs favour the 7600.

Which one would people go for personally? One of the main reasons I'm upgrading is for Dreamcast and SuperModel 3 emulation so if either is known as better for these emulators it would be greatly appreciated!

So these are basically the most powerful of the AGP cards before PCI express came back in?

[gigapig]

It sounds like you have quite an old system if your still on agp.

If trying to run Dreamcast you may have trouble, but I can't realky comment if it will work or not, perhaps someone with a similar system can comment.

I would spend £30 on a second hand card and try it, if its no good you haven't lost much and you can resell.

Or if your even remotely thinking of doing a full upgrade then don't buy an agp card, save your money for pci express.

[lukebrynycz]

It sounds like you have quite an old system if your still on agp.

If trying to run Dreamcast you may have trouble, but I can't realky comment if it will work or not, perhaps someone with a similar system can comment.

I would spend £30 on a second hand card and try it, if its no good you haven't lost much and you can resell.

Or if your even remotely thinking of doing a full upgrade then don't buy an agp card, save your money for pci express.

It's an older Core 2 Duo system, but it runs Dreamcast just fine with the graphics on the lowest setting and Model 2 perfectly. I just need the best AGP graphics card possible for this system and I think it will be just fine with Model3 games. Which of the above cards is the best do you think? I can't afford a new PC right now.

[lukebrynycz]

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=434&card2=550

Looks like the Radeon HD3850 is the best AGP card out there. What do you think?

[gigapig]

It may be, but finding one would be the problem. Ebay has them but the're either PCI-E or from the USA.

You could put an offer on this one, depends on you budget.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sapphire-RADEON-HD-3850-512MB-256-bit-GDDR3-AGP-4X-8X-HDCP-Ready-Video-Card-/330986724281?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item4d10589bb9

[Monyet]

It would probably end up better than what you've got by something like 15% to 30% but it's still not as good as going with a more substantial upgrade. I mean if you're just trying make it work as cheaply as possible then you could a core i5 Haswell chip with a cheap motherboard and 4 gigs of ram. It would be much faster and the onboard GPU would be powerful enough for your needs. I would think it would probably not cost more than $300 to $350 -(well that's going on Aussie prices at least). That's just intel, AMD would have a cheap solution too, maybe cheaper. This is all assuming that your power supply is rated for it and the hard drives are not IDE based of course...

[gigapig]

This is the sort of thing someone here has in the attic. I used to have a 6800 ultra in the attic, which at the time was a monster of a card.

I will see if it's still there.

Here's a good cheap one finishing today http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/7800GS-Graphics-Card-/111145864970?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item19e0cf4f0a

Review

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-7800gs-confirms-agp-aint-dead,1213.html

[gigapig]

Another question is, what is your budget?

[Polemicist]

I still have an old P3 dual 1 ghz processor with 512MB of ecc ram and an 80 GB HD and a very old PCI graphics cards. It gets used as a test server for my evil projects and is currently running win 2003 R2 on one drive XP on another and a USB Linux build with some interesting tools. You can do some surprising things with old hardware. But still I wouldn't use it for an arcade machine. Intel i5, Nvidia graphics card a bucket of ram with a decent 2TB hard drive and I'll be happy.

[lukebrynycz]

Hey guys, sorry for the delayed reply. Turns out the machine I have has PCI Express x16 so I bought a Radeon 2GB HD 6770 DDR3. Does the job brilliantly. Spikeout has the occasional slowdown when changing areas, but other than that, it works perfectly and my PSX and Dreamcast emulation is soooooo smooth! I think another 2GB of RAM and it will be a great little machine.

Now, the only issue I have is that Model 3 won't load from Hyperspin. Is that a common issue? I have to launch them from batch files manually when out of Hyperspin.

My settings config points to the correct area, but when I try load a game from Hyperspin, it just goes blank for a second then goes right back to Hyperspin.

[gigapig]

Hey guys, sorry for the delayed reply. Turns out the machine I have has PCI Express x16 so I bought a Radeon 2GB HD 6770 DDR3. Does the job brilliantly. Spikeout has the occasional slowdown when changing areas, but other than that, it works perfectly and my PSX and Dreamcast emulation is soooooo smooth! I think another 2GB of RAM and it will be a great little machine.

Now, the only issue I have is that Model 3 won't load from Hyperspin. Is that a common issue? I have to launch them from batch files manually when out of Hyperspin.

My settings config points to the correct area, but when I try load a game from Hyperspin, it just goes blank for a second then goes right back to Hyperspin.

Odd that you to launch them from a batch file, all mine are zipped up and I'm using SUPERMODEL VERSION 0.2A as the emulator.

Perhaps you have a different Rom Set?

[lukebrynycz]

I'm at work currently, but I could post my config when I get back tonight? It's the only emulator that doesn't seem to load from Hyperspin, but works fine from command line or batch :-(

[gigapig]

Here is my list of Roms.

The setup is exactly the same as Mame just set global, Default Emu and rom path.

yes Please post your settings.

[lukebrynycz]

Here is my list of Roms.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]31066[/ATTACH]

The setup is exactly the same as Mame just set global, Default Emu and rom path.

yes Please post your settings.

Cheers. The only thing I have noticed, is that the roms are in the emulators root directory, instead of in a rom path like the others, but the config file DOES reflect this.

Perhaps worth trying to move them to the rom directory like all other emulators and modify the ini?

[lukebrynycz]

Ok, here's my config:

It tends to minimize for just split second, as if it's about to start supermodel, but then it just goes back to Hyperspin, and I can't then launch any other emulator until I log off my PC and back on again.

[exe info]

path=J:\Emulators\Sega Model 3\

rompath=J:\Emulators\Sega Model 3\roms\

userompath=J:\Emulators\Sega Model 3\

exe=Supermodel.exe

romextension=zip

parameters=

searchsubfolders=

pcgame=false

winstate=MAXIMIZED

hyperlaunch=true

Per_Game_Modules=false

Skipchecks=false

Hide_Cursor=use_global

Hide_Desktop=use_global

Hide_Taskbar=use_global

CPWizard_Enabled=use_global

CPWizard_Delay=use_global

CPWizard_Params=use_global

Fade_In=use_global

Fade_Out=use_global

Fade_Color=use_global

Fade_In_Duration=use_global

Fade_Out_Duration=use_global

Fade_In_Delay=use_global

7z_Enabled=use_global

7z_Extract_Dir=use_global

7z_Delete_Temp=use_global

Keymapper_Enabled=use_global

Keymapper=use_global

MultiGame_Enabled=use_global

MultiGame_Background_Color=use_global

MultiGame_Side_Padding=use_global

MultiGame_Y_Offset=use_global

MultiGame_Image_Adjust=use_global

MultiGame_Font=use_global

MultiGame_Text_1_Options=use_global

MultiGame_Text_1_Text=use_global

MultiGame_Text_2_Options=use_global

MultiGame_Text_2_Offset=use_global

MultiGame_Use_Sound=use_global

MultiGame_Sound_Frequency=use_global

MultiGame_Exit_Effect=use_global

MultiGame_Selected_Effect=use_global

MultiGame_Use_Game_Art=use_global

MultiGame_Art_Folder=use_global

[filters]

parents_only=false

themes_only=false

wheels_only=false

roms_only=false

[themes]

use_parent_vids=true

use_parent_themes=false

animate_out_default=false

reload_backgrounds=false

[wheel]

alpha=.15

small_alpha=1

style=normal

speed=high

pin_center_width=500

horz_wheel_y=512

vert_wheel_position=right

y_rotation=center

norm_large=360

norm_small=230

vert_large=400

vert_small=240

pin_large=500

pin_small=200

horz_large=240

horz_small=150

letter_wheel_x=800

letter_wheel_y=384

text_width=700

text_font=Style4

small_text_width=260

large_text_width=400

text_stroke_size=6

text_stroke_color=0x000000

text_color1=0x00BFFD

text_color2=0xFFFFFF

text_color3=0x00BFFD

color_ratio=139

shadow_distance=0

shadow_angle=45

shadow_color=0x000000

shadow_alpha=1

shadow_blur=0

[pointer]

animated=true

x=975

y=384

[video defaults]

path=

[sounds]

game_sounds=true

wheel_click=true

[navigation]

game_jump=50

use_indexes=false

jump_timer=400

remove_info_wheel=false

remove_info_text=false

use_last_game=false

last_game=spikeofe

random_game=false

start_on_favorites=false

[special Art A]

default=false

active=true

x=512

y=720

in=0.4

out=0.4

length=3

delay=0

type=normal

start=bottom

[special Art B]

default=true

active=true

x=512

y=740

in=0.4

out=0.4

length=3

delay=0

type=fade

start=none

[special Art C]

active=true

x=512

y=384

in=0

out=0

length=3

delay=10

type=fade

start=none

[Game Text]

game_text_active=true

show_year=true

show_manf=true

show_description=true

text_color1=0xffffff

text_color2=0x0099cc

stroke_color=0x000000

text_font=Style1

text1_textsize=26

text1_strokesize=7

text1_x=32

text1_y=610

text2_textsize=36

text2_strokesize=8

text2_x=30

text2_y=640

[gigapig]

And here's mine

[exe info]
path=
rompath=
userompath=
exe=
romextension=
parameters=
searchsubfolders=
pcgame=false
winstate=HIDDEN
hyperlaunch=true

[filters]
parents_only=false
themes_only=false
wheels_only=false
roms_only=false

[themes]
use_parent_vids=true
use_parent_themes=false
animate_out_default=false
reload_backgrounds=false

[wheel]
alpha=.15
small_alpha=1
style=normal
speed=high
pin_center_width=500
horz_wheel_y=512
vert_wheel_position=right
y_rotation=center
norm_large=360
norm_small=230
vert_large=400
vert_small=240
pin_large=500
pin_small=200
horz_large=240
horz_small=150
letter_wheel_x=800
letter_wheel_y=384
text_width=700
text_font=Style4
small_text_width=260
large_text_width=400
text_stroke_size=6
text_stroke_color=0x000000
text_color1=0x00BFFD
text_color2=0xFFFFFF
text_color3=0x00BFFD
color_ratio=139
shadow_distance=0
shadow_angle=45
shadow_color=0x000000
shadow_alpha=1
shadow_blur=0

[pointer]
animated=true
x=975
y=384

[video defaults]
path=

[sounds]
game_sounds=true
wheel_click=true

[navigation]
game_jump=50
use_indexes=false
jump_timer=400
remove_info_wheel=false
remove_info_text=false
use_last_game=false
last_game=swtrilgy
random_game=false

start_on_favorites=false
[special Art A]
default=false
active=true
x=512
y=720
in=0.4
out=0.4
length=3
delay=0
type=normal
start=bottom

[special Art B]
default=true
active=true
x=512
y=740
in=0.4
out=0.4
length=3
delay=0
type=fade
start=none

[special Art C]
active=true
x=512
y=384
in=0
out=0
length=3
delay=10
type=fade
start=none

[Game Text]
game_text_active=true
show_year=true
show_manf=true
show_description=true
text_color1=0xffffff
text_color2=0x0099cc
stroke_color=0x000000
text_font=Style1
text1_textsize=26
text1_strokesize=7
text1_x=32
text1_y=610
text2_textsize=36
text2_strokesize=8
text2_x=30
text2_y=640

See the difference? It looks like you have set it up via HyperHQ and not HyperlaunchHQ. For this system you don't touch HyperHQ.

If you are using HLHQ then post some screen cap of your settings. Or perhaps watch the Mame setup in my Signature, Which may give you an idea.

[lukebrynycz]

Fixed it! It was the module for sm3. It was trying to enforce wide screen mode in a silly high resolution. I changed to 1024,768and disabled wide screen. I found the isse when manually testing from hyperlaunch. I managed to print screen the cmd window for the split second it errored :-)

[potts43]

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