gunit Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Hi Guys, its been a while but I have finally got back onto the project. (having a second child has drained me lol) The build is nearly complete but im having trouble with the power button that connects to the motherboard, this is what I bought below:- Before installing the power button I have fully tested everything with the below and all is turning on/off fine, no problems The issue seems to be linked to how I am connecting the "POWER SWITCH" wire to this new power button. It turns on fine but then after 10 seconds the whole machines turns off! See the wiring I have done below:- I'm really not sure what is going wrong with this power button, any ideas ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerurver Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Hi,What happens when you not connect the powercord(blue)On the switch. And let the 2 wires connect for 1 second. Will it be on? Or shut down after 10 seconds?GrGer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark13 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I still have to try the thing but I was told you can use a 100uf 25v capacitator connected to the motherboard instead of the power button, when you turn on the power strip it will start the system. It's a shame that "power on after power loss" was removed from motherboards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunit Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 8 hours ago, Gerurver said: Hi, What happens when you not connect the powercord(blue) On the switch. And let the 2 wires connect for 1 second. Will it be on? Or shut down after 10 seconds? Gr Ger I have tried leaving the + - led power in and used my separate cable and switch as shown in the above picture and everything works fine. But when I wire up the power SW to the button it shorts out after 10 secs of the computer being on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunit Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 10 hours ago, dark13 said: I still have to try the thing but I was told you can use a 100uf 25v capacitator connected to the motherboard instead of the power button, when you turn on the power strip it will start the system. It's a shame that "power on after power loss" was removed from motherboards... Mine is powered via PSU, basically just like any normal PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark13 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 hours ago, gunit said: Mine is powered via PSU, basically just like any normal PC. I'll explain better: you put inside the cab a power strip with a routed button on top of the cabinet , you use a tv/monitor that automatically turns on when the power strip is turned on and you use a capacitator so the pc automatically turns on. Result: you give power to the power strip with the button and the cab turns on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honosuseri Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 The OP hasn't actually said what the machine is. Iirc the Dell OEM machines can have odd wiring for the power switch. There's already a thread discussing this on the forum if that's the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunit Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Honosuseri said: The OP hasn't actually said what the machine is. Iirc the Dell OEM machines can have odd wiring for the power switch. There's already a thread discussing this on the forum if that's the case The Arcade Bartop has been bulit from scratch with an MDF template bought online:- MSI gaming plus B450m - Motherboard EVGA 550 B3 - Power Supply Ryzen 3 2200G - Processor 8GB Hyper - Memory x3 hard-drives, AMp with speakers, LED etc etc Not sure if this helps ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunit Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 Here is Pictures in progress:- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunit Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 5 hours ago, dark13 said: I'll explain better: you put inside the cab a power strip with a routed button on top of the cabinet , you use a tv/monitor that automatically turns on when the power strip is turned on and you use a capacitator so the pc automatically turns on. Result: you give power to the power strip with the button and the cab turns on. Totally understand, I decided to go down a different route and use a PC Power supply unit to power the rig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunit Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 Sorry to waste your time guys, ive worked it out! The power switch has to be a momentary style button or it basically will not work with a PC. Lots of info online about momentary buttons for PC builds. Should of researched PC builds rather than Arcade bartops ...lol I've ordered a Momentary LED button so will let you know the outcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honosuseri Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, gunit said: Sorry to waste your time guys, ive worked it out! The power switch has to be a momentary style button or it basically will not work with a PC. Lots of info online about momentary buttons for PC builds. Should of researched PC builds rather than Arcade bartops ...lol I've ordered a Momentary LED button so will let you know the outcome Yeah doesn't surprise me, wrong switch was my next suggestion. If you hold a PC power button down for 10 seconds or so, it will power off the machine as you're describing. Your PSU is OK I've used those, modular cables is a bonus in a small cabinet build. I'm not a fan of AMD APU builds personally. The 3000 series are due out soon but you've bought that 2200 now. Just keep in mind that many emulators don't like AMD graphics, the opengl performance is piss poor. At some point you'll probably want to add a dedicated Nvidia GPU (even if it's 2nd hand). All the best with your project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunit Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 37 minutes ago, Honosuseri said: Yeah doesn't surprise me, wrong switch was my next suggestion. If you hold a PC power button down for 10 seconds or so, it will power off the machine as you're describing. Your PSU is OK I've used those, modular cables is a bonus in a small cabinet build. I'm not a fan of AMD APU builds personally. The 3000 series are due out soon but you've bought that 2200 now. Just keep in mind that many emulators don't like AMD graphics, the opengl performance is piss poor. At some point you'll probably want to add a dedicated Nvidia GPU (even if it's 2nd hand). All the best with your project Good to know, however I was of the understanding that emulators worked mainly off the Processor rather than GPU. I am on a budget and this felt like the best bang for buck to run what I needed without the need to buy a dedicated GPU which would be tight to fit anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honosuseri Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 hour ago, gunit said: Good to know, however I was of the understanding that emulators worked mainly off the Processor rather than GPU. I am on a budget and this felt like the best bang for buck to run what I needed without the need to buy a dedicated GPU which would be tight to fit anyway. Yes that's basically true, which is why a new 3000 series APU/CPU would have been better. As the IPC would be better... More instructions per clock means more work done. Then overclocking increases the clock speed meaning even more work gets done. Graphics are still a factor. What you need to do is look into using the Vulkan API whenever possible, instead of opengl. This will depend on the emulator. You can buy half height Nvidia GPUs which are tiny. Do what your budget allows, even if it is 2nd hand stuff there's nothing wrong with that. Even an old 750ti would be OK but there are HH 1050ti's and even a 1650 due out by Zotac. The beauty of this hobby is you can gradually add more systems & parts over time. More modern arcade machines are in fact PCs. So look into Taito Type X, NesicaXlive, Sega Ring Wide, Ring edge, Lindbergh etc. These systems/games are the really fussy ones about using Nvidia but are also the better looking arcade games like Street Fighter IV etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunit Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 9 hours ago, Honosuseri said: Yes that's basically true, which is why a new 3000 series APU/CPU would have been better. As the IPC would be better... More instructions per clock means more work done. Then overclocking increases the clock speed meaning even more work gets done. Graphics are still a factor. What you need to do is look into using the Vulkan API whenever possible, instead of opengl. This will depend on the emulator. You can buy half height Nvidia GPUs which are tiny. Do what your budget allows, even if it is 2nd hand stuff there's nothing wrong with that. Even an old 750ti would be OK but there are HH 1050ti's and even a 1650 due out by Zotac. The beauty of this hobby is you can gradually add more systems & parts over time. More modern arcade machines are in fact PCs. So look into Taito Type X, NesicaXlive, Sega Ring Wide, Ring edge, Lindbergh etc. These systems/games are the really fussy ones about using Nvidia but are also the better looking arcade games like Street Fighter IV etc. TBH I already have a gaming PC, This project was for me and my sons to enjoy when they are older. With the restrictions of 6 buttons it was going to be for the classic arcade games and old skool consoles of the 90s and then maybe some re-boot games like double dragon on Steam. I did build the hyperspin setup and roms years ago so I am hoping it will be easy to pick up again and clean up for this bartop arcade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunit Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 I am happy to report that everything works now that I have bought the correct switch ( momentary style button ). Here is what I bought from Amazon:- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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