Dogway Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 I saw that in the hyperlaunch module the graphics plugin is by default 11. I had to set it to 10 because otherwise it would run slow when I set the internal resolution to x2 (which in my opinion is a must in this emulator). (I use a quadro 600 on Win7x64 so there shouldn't be any issues really). This is no biggie except that on DX10 when I set the ratio to 4:3 (for display on my 16:9 TV) the ratio I get is more stretched than that, like kinda 3:4 or so. Can someone confirm or/and tell me how to change this ratio manually? I'm using last version. Thank you!
gigapig Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 I didn't see a great deal of difference between 1x and 2x internal res. Here are my settings and the game screen, is that how yours looks? In HLHQ make sure you set it to fullscreen, which according to info is not true full screen.
Dogway Posted May 1, 2014 Author Posted May 1, 2014 Well, this is an emulator issue, so I'm not worrying about HyperSpin/HyperLaunch/Modules. I can even set dx11, vsync off, no shaders, 16 max layers, and still get choppy video at 2x so go figure if I used your settings. Tested on Jet Grind Radio and Sonic Adventures (glitches with this one too). It's change to dx10, and everything is smooth BUT 4:3 is not 4:3, can you confirm?
gigapig Posted May 1, 2014 Posted May 1, 2014 Dogway said: Well, this is an emulator issue, so I'm not worrying about HyperSpin/HyperLaunch/Modules. The second screen shot I posted, the HLHQ settings are important because they will override any settings you change in Demul. Dogway said: I can even set dx11, vsync off, no shaders, 16 max layers, and still get choppy video at 2x so go figure if I used your settings. Tested on Jet Grind Radio and Sonic Adventures (glitches with this one too). It's change to dx10, and everything is smooth BUT 4:3 is not 4:3, can you confirm? It may have helped to have mentioned you are trying to run a Dreamcast game on Demul. I don't use Demul for Dreamcast as NullDC is much better and probably doesn't suffer with the same issues you are experiencing. I did try Jet Grind Radio and it was OK but not great, so I still recommend NullDC. If that doesn't work, perhaps you can borrow a gaming graphics card to see if that is your issue.
Dogway Posted May 1, 2014 Author Posted May 1, 2014 Thank you Gigapig. I had the notion that Demul was better because it has been more actively developed, and also read recommendations around. Will test with NullDC. There's also a NullDC for Naomi. I got the same slowdowns with Power Stone for Naomi, so it's something not exclusively to Dreamcast. I'm thinking on buying probably a Geforce, I never thought of gaming this much apart of Steam and thought quadro was enough, while it might be so power wise, I think it runs through many unspotted compatibility issues (emulation, shaders, etc). I might buy a 650 or 750, something not too expensive/bulky/noisy. Did you confirm 4:3 bug on DX10?
gigapig Posted May 1, 2014 Posted May 1, 2014 Dogway said: Did you confirm 4:3 bug on DX10? Yes confirmed, I tried to get a screen shot but failed. It's OK if you run windowed or check the 16:9 or Stretched box. Windowed was also OK, shame you can't use bezels yet.
Dogway Posted May 2, 2014 Author Posted May 2, 2014 Just tried NullDC, I have mixed opinions. I get all sorts of glitches. Wrong shadow maps, polygon blinking, popping, eventual slowdowns... I also couldn't get the DX11 plugin work (had to use the HAL one). I'm not convinced at all, but I will keep using this if I don't find bigger issues until I buy a new graphics card that I just decided, but that will have to wait a few months still. Another thing I might do on the while is to call ot for the DX10 aspect ratio bug. That would be ideal and probably an easy fix...
DamnedRegistrations Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 Yeah, you're a bit off here Giga. Demul has many less glitches in general than NullDC even at default settings (compare Shenmue on both emulators for example) especially when it comes to shadows. It also even has save state support. I just wish it was updated more often, still plenty of bugs remain. NullDC is dead as the devs moved onto Reicast which doesn't even have a Windows version. They've claimed one has been coming soon for ages, lies. It's programmed to run on weak mobile hardware so I wouldn't expect much accuracy from it anyway. I can confirm though that Demul is very gpu demanding when you up the internal res or use higher max layers. My aging gtx 560 struggles too unless I stay at 1x res. Really need a new video card. I wouldn't bother with Makaron though, it's worse than both for the most part and prone to freezing and crashing. I'd recommend just having both Demul and NullDC handy because certain games work better for each. Set per-game emulators in HLHQ as needed.
Dogway Posted May 2, 2014 Author Posted May 2, 2014 DamnedRegistrations: Thanks for the input! Actually NullDC also crashes when exit emulator. Demul relying a lot in GPU makes all sense now. My graphic is a bit limited, quadro 600 when it comes to games. You saying your 560 struggles really makes me wonder because I was about to buy the recent 750 Ti which is just above yours. I know that I will get recommendations for a better card etc, but I really want to keep my system a bit of ECO, not because I'm green, but I really appreciate small, quiet, and cool cards as this one while not forgetting power. I think what the NullDC guys thought is "this is our top, since we can't improve this, let's make new things for other platforms and call it a day...". Dreamcast has a very wide catalog of home and arcade games (Naomi, etc) to make development exciting enough IMO.
zerojay Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 Dogway said: Just tried NullDC, I have mixed opinions. I get all sorts of glitches. Wrong shadow maps, polygon blinking, popping, eventual slowdowns...I also couldn't get the DX11 plugin work (had to use the HAL one). I'm not convinced at all, but I will keep using this if I don't find bigger issues until I buy a new graphics card that I just decided, but that will have to wait a few months still. Another thing I might do on the while is to call ot for the DX10 aspect ratio bug. That would be ideal and probably an easy fix... Disable Auto Sort
gigapig Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 DamnedRegistrations said: Yeah, you're a bit off here Giga I haven't run every game, but I did have issues with Demul. I had to try it recently because NullDC's PuruPuru plugin was causing NullDC to crash. So I found Demul a bit glitchy, it may have been settings, but I do have decent hardware (i5 4670k & MSI 770 Lighting) so maybe that's the reason. Your right about using both emulators to run specific games, it's just a bit of a pain to setup.
Dogway Posted May 2, 2014 Author Posted May 2, 2014 "Disable Auto Sort" is checked, is that what you meant? Or do I need to edit the AHK?
DamnedRegistrations Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 gigapig said: I haven't run every game, but I did have issues with Demul. I had to try it recently because NullDC's PuruPuru plugin was causing NullDC to crash.So I found Demul a bit glitchy, it may have been settings, but I do have decent hardware (i5 4670k & MSI 770 Lighting) so maybe that's the reason. Your right about using both emulators to run specific games, it's just a bit of a pain to setup. My vid card is obviously worse than yours but I also have a 4670k, overclocked too with aftermarket cooler. So I don't know, guess it was just the games you tried playing. Another you might want to try aside from Shenmue as a comparison between NullDC and Demul is Headhunter. NullDC (yuck) Demul Jet Set Radio and Rayman 2 are a couple more I can think of that are way better in Demul.
gigapig Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 Dogway said: "Disable Auto Sort" is checked, is that what you meant? Or do I need to edit the AHK? Correct it should be checked.
gigapig Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 DamnedRegistrations said: My vid card is obviously worse than yours but I also have a 4670k, overclocked too with aftermarket cooler. So I don't know, guess it was just the games you tried playing. Another you might want to try aside from Shenmue as a comparison between NullDC and Demul is Headhunter.NullDC (yuck) [ATTACH=CONFIG]40790[/ATTACH] Demul [ATTACH=CONFIG]40791[/ATTACH] Just curious. Was it the textures on the character that was the problem? I had a little play through on NullDC and didn't see any problems.
Dogway Posted May 2, 2014 Author Posted May 2, 2014 With NullDC I can't even load cdi images, go figure! I was trying to test Headhunter too.
DamnedRegistrations Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 gigapig said: Just curious.Was it the textures on the character that was the problem? I had a little play through on NullDC and didn't see any problems. [ATTACH=CONFIG]40798[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]40799[/ATTACH] I wasn't on my HS computer to check, I actually got those screenshots from another forum. So Headhunter is fine in NullDC? He must've had it set up wrong then. I do know that Jet Set Radio is messed in NullDC, the character shadows go crazy. Doesn't happen in Demul. There were a few other games that happens with too.
jedfactor Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 Can someone explain what the layer options do in Demul? is there any difference in game to 32 and 64? or is it dependant on the game? Also has anyone else had issues with virtua fighter 4 on naomi? I get missing graphics on the characters like the joins between there limbs are missing, but seen videos on youtube where it looks fine. Also the sound in general in demul doesnt seem to be as good as nulldc or makaron, I dont know if any of the settings can improve the sound, I have issues when the game slows down when smoke effects are on screen etc, the sound slows down to and gets all distorted.
Dogway Posted May 5, 2014 Author Posted May 5, 2014 Hello jedfactor. I can't help you with the first question because I don't know either, in any case that it's related to dx11 plugin, dx10 doesn't have the layer thing. I think that the best option is to try older versions since newer ones seem to screw things up. For example, I have to give bad news, I raised a ticket for demul on google code about the 4:3 issue on DX10, and they dismissed it stating that they don't support dx10 anymore. Well, at this rate they don't seem to support dx11 either, as the above pal DamnedRegistrations said even a GTX 560 is not enough (probably needs a GTX 680 for Dreamcast emulation, are you serious dude!? dis ain't crysis!) for x2 internal res, something I deem "a must". Sound is also better for NullDC, but really it doesn't bother me as much as visual glitches. For me the Dreamcast/Naomi emulation scene is the second worst just after the Nintendo 64. If you can run Demul in DX11 and x2 resolution without slow downs then good for you, you just hit the right spot and can't get any better than that (even if that isn't enough for you).
jedfactor Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 Yeah demul looks bad without the x2 internal res, nulldc doesn't even work at all with windows 8 though so there isn't much choice but to use demul. Its a good emulator I just get annoyed at the lack of support or documentation on how to run it properly and a guide to the settings would be nice. And it seems that the graphics are fine for most games but the sound just isn't there yet.
Dogway Posted May 5, 2014 Author Posted May 5, 2014 What graphic card do you have? Can you run in x2 without slow downs?
Trnzaddict Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 Guys I keep on mentioning this about "disabling autosort" Yes, the game will run alot better, BUT disabling autosort causes missing shadows/graphics/text in game on Demul. So for a gain of performance you are screwing up emulation more. And yea I have to agree....Demul I think has trumped NullDC in the past year, as it is the only Dreamcast emulator that seems to display ALL the graphics for games. But, you do need a very good video card. I myself run 2x resolution and I have a gtx 770 oc and I can't go any higher if not it drops games to 40-50 fps. I am......Machine
zerojay Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 Trnzaddict said: BUT disabling autosort causes missing shadows/graphics/text in game on Demul. It's the other way around. Disable Auto Sort = fixes graphical bugs for higher performance demand.
Trnzaddict Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 zerojay said: It's the other way around. Disable Auto Sort = fixes graphical bugs for higher performance demand. For you maybe but I did extensive testing in Naomi emulation for my cab, and when autosort was turned off, text was missing in-game in Jambo Safari, also I was getting black squares around alot of polygons in Trizeal, shadows missing in Heavy Metal Geomatrix, so I don't see how it fixes stuff. Maybe in the Dreamcast emulation but for Naomi, no way. I am......Machine
Dogway Posted May 5, 2014 Author Posted May 5, 2014 Trnzaddict said: But, you do need a very good video card. I myself run 2x resolution and I have a gtx 770 oc and I can't go any higher if not it drops games to 40-50 fps. I think this is ridiculous. The guys drop dx10 support where I can run smoothly jet grind radio @60fps and x2 res on my "crappy" quadro 600 in favour of dx11 where you need an overclocked gtx 770 and not even get 60fps. These guys just went nuts, sorry for my wording but this is how I feel. No way I'm gonna buy 20cm brick, I will go for a gtx 750 and wait if they want to fix dx11 or simply go back where dx10 has 4:3 aspect ratio bug corrected.
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