scottjen26 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I have a Mame cab that I got from someone running advancemame/advancemenu on linux. Works great for now, but advancemame is years behind mame and I had really planned for a different setup, so I'm in the process of collecting all of the latest files and graphics I need to do it the way I want. I plan on using Hyperspin for my front end after some serious evaluation, just signed up last week and downloaded a bunch of artwork and themes, now I just need to figure out what to do with it all! Anyway, I posted a question on the BYOAC forums about Mame clones, wondering if anyone had a list of clones that were better or different enough from the parent. I have all of the roms and hate my current setup where I have to choose between 2, 3, 5, or more versions of a game, I just want one version of the game to show up (the parent or "normal" one) unless a clone is worth it. I heard about the puckman/pacman situation, and a few others, so my plan was to use something like RomLister to filter the master list of games to get rid of mature games, casino games, mahjong, etc. and also to filter out clones, but my fear was that I would lose out on some good clones. Since I couldn't find a list, I created one. As I was filtering my list and scanning through the ENTIRE list of Mame games multiple times (all 7600 working titles), I compiled a list of additions (that were incorrectly filtered out by RomLister), clones that I want to add back in to the list, and games I would ideally like to delete. Since I couldn't find this information anywhere, I thought I would post it here in case someone else is interested. Below is a list of good or different clones that I could find in the current version of Mame along with the rom names and notes. These are clones that have enhanced play or graphics, are actually other versions of the game, have control hacks or tweaks, etc. I'm sure I missed one or two in that massive list, but this is much better than the 5 or 6 I found out about before. I seriously hope this wasn't all in vain, as it took a while, and that I will be able to take my list and export it to a XML format that Hyperspin can use (like it says). Either way, I can put together a batch program or whatever to move things around or do something so get a nice pared down list of the games I want to see. Next step - get my PC ready and start installing and loading programs and art to their final locations and begin the process of configuring and tweaking HS. I'm sure I'll be on here in the future to read old threads and get some questions answered. Scott Game Parent Clone Notes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ace Attack ace (orig game) aceattack Actually a Volleyball game, clone of Ace Attacker? (no parent) Ajax ajax typhoon This version has a different stage order and possible additional level Bad Dudes vs. Dragonninja baddudes drgninja Japanese version has different background music and different ending Cabal cabal cabalus Trackball version Captain America Avengers captaven captavenu US version, not really that different Combat School combatsc combatsct Trackball version Cyberball cyberbal cyberbal2p 2 player version D. D. Crew ddcrew ddcrew2 2 player version Defend the Terra Attack redufo exodus Slightly improved graphics DoDonPachi Dai-Ou-Jou ddp3 ddp3blk Black label edition is more playable and allows continues Donkey Kong II dkong dkongx11 Donkey Kong 2 hack, new levels etc Eliminator (4 players) elim2 elim4 4 player mode, only 4 player vector game ever made Galaga galaga galagamf Fast shoot Gauntlet II gaunt2 gaunt22p 2 player version Gauntlet gauntlet gauntlet2p 2 player version Gigas gigandes gigasb Actually a breakout game, clone of gigas? (not listed as parent) Golden Tee 2000 Tournament gt2k (regular) gt2kt500 Tourney edition, changes? Ikari III - The Rescue ikari3 ikari3nr Joystick hack Ikari Warriors ikari ikarijpb Joystick hack Joust joust joustr Pterodactyl scoring bug King of Fighters 2005 Anniv kof2002 kf2k5uni Anniversary edition, changed graphics, music, characters Land Maker landmakr landmakrp English translation Main Event mainevt mainevt2p 2 player version Major Havoc mhavoc mhavocrv Return to Vax hack, easier then original, extra levels, minor play changes Marvel Vs. Capcom: COSH mvsc mvscj Japanese version gives you an extra character Ms. Pac Man mspacman mspacmnf Speedup hack NBA Maximum Hangtime nbahangt nbamht1 Updated roster, minor play changes Night Slasher nslasher nslasherj Japanese version is uncensored - red blood and some different and extended scenes Pacman puckman pacman Original pacman game Pacman puckman pacmanf Speedup hack Peggle peggle pegglet Trackball version Pirate Pete junglek piratpet Pirate-based version of Jungle Hunt Qix II Tournament qix qix2 Enhanced version with different colors and bonus features Rampart rampart rampart2p Joystick version Robocop 2 robocop2 robocop2j Japanese version has extra playable into level and extra scene at the end Salamander (Lifeforce) salamand lifefrcej Enhanced US version (lifefrce) and listed Japanese version have new graphics and improved gameplay Shadow Warriors (Ninja Gaiden) shadoww gaiden US (gaiden) and Japan (ryukendn) versions have different music and fighting/difficulty diffs Simpsons simpsons simpsons2p 2 player version Snow Bros. 3 - Magical Adv snowbros snowbros3 Third in the series, seems to be a clone of the first game Sunset Riders ssriders ssridersubc 2 player version Super Bubble Bobble bublbobl sboblboa Super Bubble Bobble, minor changes Street Fighter II: Hyper Fight sf2hf sf2hfj Turbo version incorporates unofficial hacks and is supposed to be the best in the series Tempest Tubes tempest temptube Version of Tempest with different shapes Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles tmnt tmnt2po 2 player version Undercover Cops uccops uccopsar Alpha Renewal version has better graphics and additional character moves Vendetta vendetta vendetta2p 2 player version. Also Asian versions have bikers and dogs that grab, hump, and lick the player... Zerowing zerowing zerowing2 2 player version instead of 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvj Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Thanks for this, I always wondered what clones should be visible. Appreciate the notes section as this answers the questions as to "why" each game is there. I can imagine how much work this was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brolly Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Yeah same here, I will surely make use of this list. I always wanted a comprehensive list like this one, but it was just too much work for me to actually do it. So props for you for having all this work and taking it till the end, not an easy task at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rondar Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Nice work, scott! Here's one that I came across when I was doing the theme for it: Undercover Cops. The parent rom is uccops, but the "better" rom is uccopsar - Undercover Cops Alpha Renewal (or uccopsj if you know Japanese). The graphics are better and there are a lot of additional character moves, namely "off-the-ground" hits, dashing hits, dashing jump hits, throws, and "combo-finish" hits. If you're interested, here's an article about the game: http://www.blamethecontrolpad.com/undercovercops/undercovercops.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuti05 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 dont forget the marvel vs capcom japanese clone gives you an extra character! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPeD66 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I already knew about a couple of these worthy clones, but not the entire list. Thanks for sharing your work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvj Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Try to keep this list updated with new roms/suggestions and I'm sure it will be a huge hit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBoyBill Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Theres another decent sized thread here on this exact topic, I'll see if i can find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blur Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Galaxian has 18 clones so it's difficult to choose the best one but i would say Galaxian Part X (galapx) or Galaxian Turbo (galturbo) are much better then original. They are faster and have faster rate of fire which makes totally different game, not so slow as galaxian. Also scotjen this list is very small so you don't need attachments - just put it in the first post and update first post as something new appears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvj Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Theres another decent sized thread here on this exact topic, I'll see if i can find it. Here are a couple threads with discussions about clones: http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1937 http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4672 Also scotjen this list is very small so you don't need attachments - just put it in the first post and update first post as something new appears. He does if he wants to keep the formatting of his text looking nicely. Forums tend to throw formatting off. Other options would be pastebin.com or a google doc spreadsheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blur Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 He does if he wants to keep the formatting of his text looking nicely. Forums tend to throw formatting off.Other options would be pastebin.com or a google doc spreadsheet. Game Parent Clone Notes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ace Attack ace (orig game) aceattack Actually a Volleyball game, clone of Ace Attacker? (no parent) Cabal cabal cabalus Trackball version Captain America Avengers captaven captavenu US version, not really that different Combat School combatsc combatsct Trackball version Cyberball cyberbal cyberbal2p 2 player version D. D. Crew ddcrew ddcrew2 2 player version Defend the Terra Attack redufo exodus Slightly improved graphics DoDonPachi Dai-Ou-Jou ddp3 ddp3blk Black label edition is more playable and allows continues Donkey Kong II dkong dkongx11 Donkey Kong 2 hack, new levels etc Eliminator (4 players) elim2 elim4 4 player mode, only 4 player vector game ever made Galaga galaga galagamf Fast shoot Gauntlet II gaunt2 gaunt22p 2 player version Gauntlet gauntlet gauntlet2p 2 player version Gigas gigandes gigasb Actually a breakout game, clone of gigas? (not listed as parent) Golden Tee 2000 Tournament gt2k (regular) gt2kt500 Tourney edition, changes? Ikari III - The Rescue ikari3 ikari3nr Joystick hack Ikari Warriors ikari ikarijpb Joystick hack Joust joust joustr Pterodactyl scoring bug King of Fighters 2005 Anniv kof2002 kf2k5uni Anniversary edition, changed graphics, music, characters Main Event mainevt mainevt2p 2 player version Major Havoc mhavoc mhavocrv Return to Vax hack, easier then original, extra levels, minor play changes Ms. Pac Man mspacman mspacmnf Speedup hack NBA Maximum Hangtime nbahangt nbamht1 Updated roster, minor play changes Pacman puckman pacman Original pacman game Pacman puckman pacmanf Speedup hack Peggle peggle pegglet Trackball version Pirate Pete junglek piratpet Pirate-based version of Jungle Hunt Qix II Tournament qix qix2 Enhanced version with different colors and bonus features Rampart rampart rampart2p Joystick version Simpsons simpsons simpsons2p 2 player version Snow Bros. 3 - Magical Adv snowbros snowbros3 Third in the series, seems to be a clone of the first game Sunset Riders ssriders ssridersubc 2 player version Super Bubble Bobble bublbobl sboblboa Super Bubble Bobble, minor changes Tempest Tubes tempest temptube Version of Tempest with different shapes Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles tmnt tmnt2po 2 player version Vendetta vendetta vendetta2p 2 player version Zerowing zerowing zerowing2 2 player version instead of 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBoyBill Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Nice, that will be a very nice list to keep going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrout Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I've got one for ya: Name: Land Maker Parent: landmakr Clone: landmakrp Reason: The clone features an English translation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8BitMonk Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Great list, thanks for this. I hate having dupes in my list as well and knew there had to be a few good clones and hacks i was missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret80'sMan Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Galaxian has 18 clones so it's difficult to choose the best one but i would say Galaxian Part X (galapx) or Galaxian Turbo (galturbo) are much better then original. They are faster and have faster rate of fire which makes totally different game, not so slow as galaxian. I can already see modified themes for popular clones like this one. Rondar at my suggestion tweaked up zyyzyyxx or whatever it's called to what it originally was called which is Brix but listed as the clone. Very cool list, thanks for putting it together, very nice indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottjen26 Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 Thanks guys for the appreciation, makes my 2 1/2 passes through the entire mame list worthwhile... Thanks BBB for the links to the other thread, I updated my list with some information I found there as well as everything else you guys mentioned here. As for the numerous Galaxian, Galaga, Pacman, Street Fighter, etc. clones, there are just so many with minor changes that unless you are a huge fan of the game and play them all a fair amount to compare the main version is probably enough. That's why I didn't include any of those in the list. I can play Galaga until I fall asleep, and other than the obvious shooting hack that I've heard about (but haven't yet tried) I don't think slightly different graphics or a different board set will make enough different to matter. But again, huge fans of the game may want to add in several of those clones to play. And yes, I originally had this in a spreadsheet and when I tried to post excel files weren't allowed, so I dumped into a text file and posted that because the formatting got screwed up otherwise. I'll try to edit my first post and put my list into the format I saw a few posts up, then it can be maintained going forward. EDIT: Figured out the Code thing, worked great, updated list is now in the first post and I'll check back periodically and update with any new information. Thanks! Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reezy Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 How can I get my favorite game (MS Pac-MAN Clones 'mspacmanf') to show up in my wheel with duplicated art from the other ms pac-man? I would in fact prefer to have the default ms pac-man replaced with 'MSPACMANF' thanks for any help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8BitMonk Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Be sure to select the option for clones using parent wheels/themes in HyperHQ. If you don't have a mspacmanf entry in your wheel already you'll need to add it to your MAME.xml file. Look for it under Hyperspin-->Databases-->MAME.xml. Open it with a text editor and dupe the original pacman entry changing the name to mspacmanf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret80'sMan Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 How can I get my favorite game (MS Pac-MAN Clones 'mspacmanf') to show up in my wheel with duplicated art from the other ms pac-man? I would in fact prefer to have the default ms pac-man replaced with 'MSPACMANF'thanks for any help Or just name the theme mspacmanf and it will load up with that one. If I recall this is the speed up version correct? That one was in the arcades just as much, I asked Rondar to create a special wheel image for that one so if you want to have regular Ms. Pac Man and Speed Up you can have them both as I do. Check the mame wheel thread for the image or PM me your email address and I'll email it to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrX_Cuci Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 One of the older topics I opened with differences: http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8120 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottjen26 Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 Thanks MrX_Cuci, I'll check that thread out and make additions to my list where applicable. Funny, I've had Mame since 1997 I think, played with it on and off, but only recently started getting serious about getting a cabinet and trying to get everything updated and organized. I searched on other forums for info on clones and asked some questions, didn't find much, so did the work myself. Never even thought to post or look here, since I thought it would be more geared toward the front end, artwork, and related questions. Between you and BBB pointing the way, I realize now I should have checked here first!!! Thanks again for the info, look forward to diving into HS and putting all of this information to use, I'll be sure to check the forum on any setup or config questions I have before I post questions. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrX_Cuci Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 If you got the time you could check the trivia section from this site. http://www.arcadehits.net/datObase/index.php Just type in the parent roms name and it will pop-up a lot of information about the different versions that exist. Those trivia's can also be found in the history.dat file. Examples Rambo 3: The US version is slightly different, it has the 'Winners Don't Use Drugs' screen. The game has a different ending depending if you play the American or European version. Ghost 'n Goblins: The Japanese versions, unlike all other versions, use a cross instead of a shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilDindon Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I suggest moon alien part 2 as the best galaxian clone. I also prefer karate champ vs. over karate champ. I'm also amazed that the mame team consider super street fighter II turbo as a clone of super street fighter II, which are two totally different games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrX_Cuci Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Super Street Fighter II Turbo is actually the main rom (parent) and not a clone of Super Streetfighter II. Look at: http://www.arcadehits.net/datObase/rom.php?zip=ssf2t If you got that from Hyperlist, then Hyperlist is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zak Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 hello guys, please can someone help me find the ancestors for the roms MameUI32 .141 I'm having trouble finding. and complete my collection ... need of the king of figthers original Street Fighter and also .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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