Rockstead Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Hello, I'm having a cabinet built, I'm not sure how this all works, I know I will have a 500GB SSD for quick bootup running the OS, but I'm not sure if Hyperspin is placed on the SSD or if it will be on the secondary 6 TB drive that will hold games. I also see those WD white label 6TB drives for $159.99 which are 5700rpm and 64MB of cache, or the 5700rpm 128MB version which is $179.99. I'm worried that 5700 isn't fast enough and I would need 7200 for newer PC games, can you confirm if 5700 vs 7200 or 64MB Vs 128MB will make a difference or how it is setup. Potentially I would be playing newer gen PC games or PS2, but mostly arcade classic emulators. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratoka Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 I am new to Hyperspin, but a long time MAME and emulator user. I would start by asking how much space you actually need. If it were me, I would bypass spinning drives all together and stick with only SSD (mainly because of noise). If you have the need for capacity, 7200RPM is definitely the way I would go. The price difference between drives is minimal. You might also save money by buying 2 smaller 3TB drives and putting them in a RAID0 (uses both disks equally for higher performance). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoyStickKilla Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 If it's just for a cabinet and you stick with only the classic stuff you could check it all on the ssd. If you put it on a second drive and again this pc is just for an arcade cabinet then you went overkill imo with a 500gb ssd just for the OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockstead Posted July 2, 2016 Author Share Posted July 2, 2016 How big of a SSD would you recommend then? I just want to future proof it, I know I said mainly arcade classics, I just want the option to play those newer PC games or ps2 games and not have any issues, or at least know I can play them if I want to without any issue. Would the 5700rpm still be good?, 64MB or 128MB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aorin Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 I have two external HDDs, one is 3TB (Samsung), the other is 5TB (WD), for 3 years, I used both in USB 2.0 but, then I upgraded my motherboard with a PCI-E 1x card that made it possible to use both HDDs in the USB 3.0 standard, if I copy a bunch of files one to another, the speed goes higher than 100 mb/s. As I mentioned I used both before the 3.0, I did notice some improvement in their performance, but I assure that even before this I couldn't complain about using it with Hyperspin and emulators in general, I say that if you want a big HDD, even if it's 5400, to use it with frontends and emulators, you have my OK. A friend of mine bought a 240 GB SSD last week, he said his PC now boots in less than 10 sec, which is true since I have a dell tablet with a 32GB SSD and it boots really fast too, I went to his house to play some games, and I did notice that SSDs really have a huge advantage when we use it for the operational system, thus, it will improve the performance of everything else you use on it. Maybe a nice choice, but more expensive, would be to use a SSD for the OS, maybe for the frontend and its medias, and a big HDD for games, like PS2 and other big systems with big games. I use my Hyperspin in a 5TB HDD, if you ask me if I'm satisfied with its performance, I totally say yes, can't notice anything that lags, be it in the frontend itself, or in game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigapig Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 My Hyperspin is on a dedicated 250GB SSD and it does run better on the SSD than a HD. Your Roms, if you plan to have terabytes of them will be fine on HD's but consider something like WD Red drives as they are built for a NAS and guaranteed for 3 to 5 years. One concern I have with an SSD is you can't really tell when they are going to die unless there is some software out there to monitor it. With a HD you can sometimes tell when its on the way out. That happened to a friends drive a few weeks ago, luckily he had a backup and the cash to buy a bigger replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DlR0SVK Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 @ratoka RAID 1 is reading data simultaneously from both drives (like RAID 0) = quick read, normal write. @RocksteadAttention to this disc is the SMR technology ! / what model you want to buy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja2bceen Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 How do you tell your hdd is about to go out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigapig Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 How do you tell your hdd is about to go out? Usually from audio cues, they start to make odd sounds, ticking, clicking etc. There is a bios setting for Smart Monitoring but I have no idea if that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockstead Posted July 2, 2016 Author Share Posted July 2, 2016 My Hyperspin is on a dedicated 250GB SSD and it does run better on the SSD than a HD. Your Roms, if you plan to have terabytes of them will be fine on HD's but consider something like WD Red drives as they are built for a NAS and guaranteed for 3 to 5 years. I still can't pinpoint how large of a SSD to get, from what I gathered, it's no problem to run the latest games (PC or Ps2) from a 5700rpm drive (like the WD red). The last person I spoke to said they used a 128GB SSD juts for the OS and archive extraction folder. Would there be any reason I would need larger than a 128GB SSD if I'm using a loaded 6TB drive full of old and newer games? I'm not sure what the archive extraction process is, but is it normal to run it to the SSD and would it ever need to be larger for that process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanDyer87 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 I still can't pinpoint how large of a SSD to get, from what I gathered, it's no problem to run the latest games (PC or Ps2) from a 5700rpm drive (like the WD red). The last person I spoke to said they used a 128GB SSD juts for the OS and archive extraction folder. Would there be any reason I would need larger than a 128GB SSD if I'm using a loaded 6TB drive full of old and newer games? I'm not sure what the archive extraction process is, but is it normal to run it to the SSD and would it ever need to be larger for that process? I don't actually use an SSD but assume that would be fine but maybe I could help you clear up what the extraction process I assume your referring to is for when your games are in a .zip archive and the emulator doesnt't support them (some emulators do support .zip tho) a good example here would be if you had a gamecube game in a .zip archive and wanted to play it it would need extracting 1st so you can play in this case once setup within HS/RL when you go to launch that game it will extract to a temporary location so you can play and then remove the temporary files after closed if my info is wrong (which i believe it isn't) im sure someone else here will correct me anyways hope this helps you understand mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aorin Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 I still can't pinpoint how large of a SSD to get, from what I gathered, it's no problem to run the latest games (PC or Ps2) from a 5700rpm drive (like the WD red). The last person I spoke to said they used a 128GB SSD juts for the OS and archive extraction folder. Would there be any reason I would need larger than a 128GB SSD if I'm using a loaded 6TB drive full of old and newer games? I'm not sure what the archive extraction process is, but is it normal to run it to the SSD and would it ever need to be larger for that process? As far as performance goes, I believe a 128GB SSD would be enough for your OS, making the whole system run smoother, thus, also making all programs, games and emulators also smooth, for example, a Photoshop installed in a HDD vs a SSD it's clear that it would load faster in the SSD. The extraction process the other guy mentioned, is for games that are in 7z, RocketLauncher enables you to choose a folder where you want to extract the rom inside the 7z to a temp folder, so the emulator will open that extracted content to read it, and if you choose the SSD as destination, the extraction will take less time if compared to a standard HDD. In my personal use, I always avoid the 7z thing, since I have room for big games, and I always compress them to formats that the emulators run natively without the need to decompress them, examples are PBP for PS1, CSO for PSP and PS2, CHD for Dreamcast, and so on. As I said in my first post, I believe your intention is to have a huge library of your games, and also you'll want it to run smooth, so a SSD for OS and a HDD for the big content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanDyer87 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 In my personal use, I always avoid the 7z thing, since I have room for big games, and I always compress them to formats that the emulators run natively without the need to decompress them, examples are PBP for PS1, CSO for PSP and PS2, CHD for Dreamcast, and so on. This is also what I do when possible saves alot of time on waiting for games to extract when wanting to play deffinately has advantages over having games in various zip archives in my opinion but some people would prefer to keep the files/roms/games in their original integrity but that's just personal preference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigapig Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 I still can't pinpoint how large of a SSD to get, from what I gathered, it's no problem to run the latest games (PC or Ps2) from a 5700rpm drive (like the WD red). The last person I spoke to said they used a 128GB SSD juts for the OS and archive extraction folder. Would there be any reason I would need larger than a 128GB SSD if I'm using a loaded 6TB drive full of old and newer games? If plan on having HS on that same drive it will depend on how many systems you plan on having. All the systems will have artwork and videos and don't forget you may want Rocketlauncher media as well. I'm not sure what mine is running at right now I can tell you later, but it's over 128gb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja2bceen Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Ya I was going to ask about that. Say you have an hdd with everything mapped to it. If you used an sd, what would you put on there and I assume you would have to remap all that same content to c drive. There probably wouldn't be an easy way to transition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majorspawn Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Get 2 ssds one for os and one for everything else. I have 250 and 250. Price will drive your size. Its not too bad these days. I stick to samsunng pros or sandisk ultra drives which are goid quality and come with 5 years warranty. Then do a full image backup of each using cloning tools like acronis then you dont have to worry about drive failure. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockstead Posted July 4, 2016 Author Share Posted July 4, 2016 Get 2 ssds one for os and one for everything else. I have 250 and 250. Price will drive your size. Its not too bad these days. I stick to samsunng pros or sandisk ultra drives which are goid quality and come with 5 years warranty. Then do a full image backup of each using cloning tools like acronis then you dont have to worry about drive failure. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk I plan on emulating many systems, a second SSD won't cut it. My secondary will be 6TB. I haven't heard anyone say if they think putting in 500GB for the OS is overkill? I was going to put in one of those Samsung EVO 500GB. I think I got enough feedback that using a WD Red 6TB 64MB 5700rpm will be fine for running any games, new or old and regardless of the system. For on the backup,good idea. Instead of running Raid, ai will use an additional 6GB to put in my NAS to backup the contents of my 6TB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I plan on emulating many systems, a second SSD won't cut it. My secondary will be 6TB. I haven't heard anyone say if they think putting in 500GB for the OS is overkill? I was going to put in one of those Samsung EVO 500GB. I think I got enough feedback that using a WD Red 6TB 64MB 5700rpm will be fine for running any games, new or old and regardless of the system. For on the backup,good idea. Instead of running Raid, ai will use an additional 6GB to put in my NAS to backup the contents of my 6TB. Personally I have:- 128GB Samsung M.2 SSD - Windows 10 - 256GB Samsung Evo SSD - HS, RL, emulators, media, compressed games are copied here by RL when extracting - 2x6TB Spinning hard drives - Games Works a treat, with over 180 systems. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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