8BitMonk Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 Good news, I was able to get one gun working last night! I quite like the recoil, it's a good amount of kick and repeats very fast on trigger pulls. I'll try to post more details as I finish setting everything up.
gstav Posted October 14, 2012 Author Posted October 14, 2012 glad to hear that you got it working. Looking forward to see your videos/pics What do you guys think about this: Would it be possibe to put the Solenoid kit + AimTrak Light Gun OEM in a NAMCO gun, and solder the NAMCO solenoid to the PCB instead? I don't see why it would not work as they both runs on the same voltage, or have I missed something? Would be awesome (, and pricey) "Stop being so stupid.. it’s my turn."
CandyFace Posted October 15, 2012 Posted October 15, 2012 anyone finished so we can see some pictures or a video ^^ im really thinking about getting the kit
8BitMonk Posted October 15, 2012 Posted October 15, 2012 I'll post some later this week as soon as I get the components for the second gun. I have one gun assembled and working but had to order another shell and components for the other one that I botched. Waiting for them to arrive. I wanted to show the solenoid working with the shell open along with the innards so I'm going to do video/pics while assembling the other. Not sure what happened to Jumpstile, I think he had ordered them as well and was going to post but I haven't seen anything.
Jumpstile Posted October 15, 2012 Posted October 15, 2012 I received all the parts but haven't had a chance to install yet. I should be doing it soon... - J* How to rebuild your MAME ROM set using CLRMAMEPRO - Walkthrough HERE!
monkeychunkuk Posted October 16, 2012 Posted October 16, 2012 Looks complicated but great all at once
8BitMonk Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Some quick pics and video sample. The guts. You'll want small power power wires going into the PCB board to be able to get it through the holes in the board. Larger gauge single color wire for the outside of the gun. This is an extra step which is kind of a pain but looks better. For the cord going to the power supply along with the USB on the outside of the gun I've initially used wire ties to wrap them together since I didn't like any of the cable tubing. I will probably just go to black duct tape to wrap both cords together. Everything is really cramped on the inside. It's a bit tricky to move the wires to from the IR sensor to the red buttons out of the way of the solenoid without wearing the ultra thin wires out at the solder point and breaking the connection. Different view of the guts. If you have an old style sensor like mine the gray is the ground going into the main trigger PCB and the Orange is for the trigger. The last connection is the super small wire that goes from recoil in the PCB to the last (5th) slot in white connector on IR sensor. 9 things to solder total. 2 wires from the solenoid. 2 wires from the IR sensor (orange/gray for me). 2 small power wires to the PCB and then the 2 on the other end to larger wire right before exiting the gun. 1 small black wire for recoil, the other end just pushes into 5th slot on the white connector on the IR sensor. lnYrARRL43U It isn't exactly throwing the gun back but it's a nice little snap and definitely adds to the affect of firing. It also repeats fairly fast. Be forewarned that I tried a 20v rather than 24v power supply (the instructions say 20-36v is acceptable) and it was slower/weaker. I couldn't find a good cheap power supply above 24v so I'm not sure if you'd get a better kick from that.
gstav Posted October 17, 2012 Author Posted October 17, 2012 Sounds like the solenoid isn't bulled all the way (or is it something with my speakers? ) Thanks for the video and pictures! Still waiting for my solenoid kit to arrive. "Stop being so stupid.. it’s my turn."
8BitMonk Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Sounds like the solenoid isn't bulled all the way (or is it something with my speakers? )Thanks for the video and pictures! Still waiting for my solenoid kit to arrive. 'bulled all the way'?
gstav Posted October 17, 2012 Author Posted October 17, 2012 *lol* pulled "Stop being so stupid.. it’s my turn."
CandyFace Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 so it's not going to throw your gun backward but only give a snap, or is that because you don't have the right shell? it was maybe never intended that it should throw the top of the gun backward like a real recoil?
8BitMonk Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 No it's pulled all the way. The gun shell isn't designed to move separately, it's all one piece. The solenoid just retracts and released to make a small recoil effect. It's not throwing the gun back in your hand with great force but it's a decent click.
8BitMonk Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 20v power supply test eN4ZFtUQDow This video shows the inside of the AimTrak with the solenoid firing off of a 20v power supply. As you can see it doesn't fire as quickly and misses occasionally. I wouldn't use this low of power supply. 24v power supply test jQDr_ToQRXg This video shows the inside of the AimTrak with the solenoid firing off of a 24v power supply. It gives a pretty snappy consistent kick, it's passable. 36v power supply test lz44D-Rh9sU This video shows the inside of the AimTrak with the solenoid firing off of a 36v power supply. This is noticeably stronger than the 20v or 24v and the one I prefer by far. I would definitely go with a 36v power supply.
gstav Posted October 21, 2012 Author Posted October 21, 2012 great video! The difference is great between the 20 vs 24 compared. Love to see some 36v action! "Stop being so stupid.. it’s my turn."
8BitMonk Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 Yeah, the 24v give a decent snap and it repeats very reliably. I wouldn't go with a 20v supply. I bought a couple 36v power supplies to test and they should be here mid-week. I'll post a video for reference. The amperage is lower so I'm not sure how they will perform. My 24v supply is 5amp and the 36v supplies are 1.7amp.
8BitMonk Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 I've updated my post above to show a 36v power supply. This is the one I prefer and am going to use.
gstav Posted October 28, 2012 Author Posted October 28, 2012 I've updated my post above to show a 36v power supply. This is the one I prefer and am going to use. Thanks for the update! 36v really does it! Any news on your guns Jumpstyle? "Stop being so stupid.. it’s my turn."
Jumpstile Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 I decided to order a 36V power supply. Just waiting for it to arrive... I have a 24V power supply, but after reading about the 36V I thought it would be best to get one of those. Found one for really cheap on eBay. - J* How to rebuild your MAME ROM set using CLRMAMEPRO - Walkthrough HERE!
totalcarnage Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 probably could pull apart a PS3 controller and splice the vibrating mechanism with the trigger wiring so when you pull the trigger the gun vibrates or something like that, at a cheaper cost....... just a thought.
Fursphere Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 How hot is the coil getting? The same coils are used in pinballs machines are do get warm/hot pretty quick. And if your firing circuit "locks on" - that coil WILL go thermo-nuclear in a very short time, I hope you put a fuse on it - as it'll melt that housing quickly. I've got burn spots on the inside of two of my pinball machines from where coils "locked on" (the controlling transistor failed basically) and got hot enough to fill the entire pinball machine with smoke. Took about an hour for the coil to cool down enough to where I could touch it.
Monyet Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 Is this guy a member here? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Recoil-Dual-Ultimarc-AimTrak-Arcade-Light-Gun-Black-MAME-/160951015224?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25796d9738
Fursphere Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 SIXTY US DOLLARS FOR SHIPPING?!!?! The US Postal "If it fits it ships" box that will fit those guns is $15 for reference.
Monyet Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 That might be showing the price of shipping to me as I am based in Australia. I don't know, I pulled the link directly from my ebay account. I thought that was reasonable for getting from Nebraska to here. The recoil doesn't shift the barrel, but I don't want to go for the DIY option so that's what you pay for convenience I guess. I was just hoping they were a member here so they might feel like a discount. Having said that, these look like custom jobs as they don't sell the guns with recoil kits installed do they?
Drkdweller Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 most people who sell stuff on ebay make a profit on the shipping because ebay dose not take a cut out of the shipping. so by marking it up they can make the full profit even after ebay takes there cut. also its 2 guns.
evil eye Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 The same seller can be found on the American eBay site and it costs $22 to ship to the states for two guns. Not bad at all. Btw, I think that is the same seller who operates www.arcadeguns.com. That's where I got my already assembled Aimtrak red/blue gun combo from a couple years ago. They do a great job putting them together, you'd think they came assembled to begin with.
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