newoski Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Hi Guys, I have both MAME and Zinc on my bartop. I'm curious, at this point, if Zinc is still necessary to emulate these games... or if MAME has caught up enough... Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerojay Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Use MAME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newoski Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 Any additional info you could share on the reasoning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baddeolv Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 MAME runs the games just as well if not better. Having a separate emulator for these games would just be redundant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiganderson Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Good to know. One less to take off the todo list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aorin Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Good to know. One less to take off the todo list. Same here, Zinc>removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerojay Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Any additional info you could share on the reasoning? Zinc is old, shitty and a pain in the ass and these days isn't any faster than MAME is unless you are on some REALLY old PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNTiGOD Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I still use zinc. My hardware is a hp proliant n40l. It's a low powered amd server cpu... Mame can't cope in fact zinc can't cope with tekken 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer6 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 As far as I know, Mame doesn't play Strider 2 an all those capcom like games, right? Mine never did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pofo14 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I use MAME for all the zinc games. It was a pain to setup and MAME ran the games fine to me. At least the ones I tested / played. I would say set it up with MAME, and if there is a specific game that doesn't work to your liking in MAME, try it in zinc and use HL to use Zinc for that specific game when and if you need too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8BitMonk Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The games look way better in Zinc (same with Sega M2/M3 emus) because they're using 3D rendering. It may run at the right speed in Mame but it looks crappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baddeolv Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 As far as I know, Mame doesn't play Strider 2 an all those capcom like games, right?Mine never did. They play fine for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerojay Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The games look way better in Zinc (same with Sega M2/M3 emus) because they're using 3D rendering. It may run at the right speed in Mame but it looks crappy. Well, if you want to deal with Zinc randomly deciding to eat your configs, go right ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rust2dust Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Honestly ....after as many emulator/games ....it does become a bit daunting trying to find some games....as well as there is just too much fluff on my hd....Im thinking about getting rid of all of the stuff I will never use. Zx spectrum Alot of the hand helds...etc. A friend pointed this out to me recently "For as cool as it looks...you have alot of shit on here (garbage)" The more I look...Im beginning to agree. Getting rid of zinc is the beginning of the uncluttering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8BitMonk Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Well, if you want to deal with Zinc randomly deciding to eat your configs, go right ahead. 'eat your configs'... that doesn't even make any sense. Have you setup Zinc before? It really isn't that difficult, just use Aldo's Zinc FE. The quality difference between zinc (any 3D emu) and mame is drastic. Mame is on the left in the examples below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerojay Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 'eat your configs'... that doesn't even make any sense. Have you setup Zinc before? It really isn't that difficult, just use Aldo's Zinc FE. If you've used Zinc for any amount of time, such as I have for over a decade, you'll find out about some of its weird quirks such as suddenly deleting your configuration files, reverting button configs or leaving the Zinc FE completely non-functional at random. These are well-known issues with Zinc. It simply wasn't worth the hassle. Sure, it looks a little nicer in Zinc, but that's not how the game looked. Much prefer accuracy myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8BitMonk Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I've been using Zinc for many years and have never heard of it randomly deleting files or had that happen to me. The 'well-known' issue with Zinc is that it can be difficult to setup but it's not as daunting as some people make it out to be, plenty of resources floating around to make it simpler. The end result (to me at least) is worth it. You mustn't have played a lot 3D games in the arcade if you think the way Mame currently renders them is accurate, that's not how the originals looked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerojay Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I've been using Zinc for many years and have never heard of it randomly deleting files or had that happen to me. The 'well-known' issue with Zinc is that it can be difficult to setup but it's not as daunting as some people make it out to be, plenty of resources floating around to make it simpler. The end result (to me at least) is worth it. You mustn't have played a lot 3D games in the arcade if you think the way Mame currently renders them is accurate, that's not how the originals looked. I'll agree with you on the setup being far less problematic than people say. I've played most of these 3D arcade games to death. MAME is using software rendering for accuracy whereas Zinc is not. With the exception of some filtering seen in your screenshot there, that is indeed how the games looked in the arcade. Zinc is doing things like using higher resolution textures, texture filtering, higher resolution 3D, etc... it isn't accurate, but is nicer, sure. That's why you're saying "any 3D emu" looks better than MAME, they are all applying higher resolution 3D, texture smoothing, etc... whereas MAME is going for accuracy. I don't know this particular game you are showing images from, but I can definitely say that the other games I've played a ton of are more accurate in MAME (if they aren't buggy, anyways). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aorin Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 There's MAME versions you can use graphics filters lime MAME++ etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8BitMonk Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I've played most of these 3D arcade games to death. MAME is using software rendering for accuracy whereas Zinc is not. With the exception of some filtering seen in your screenshot there, that is indeed how the games looked in the arcade. Zinc is doing things like using higher resolution textures, texture filtering, higher resolution 3D, etc... it isn't accurate, but is nicer, sure. That's why you're saying "any 3D emu" looks better than MAME, they are all applying higher resolution 3D, texture smoothing, etc... whereas MAME is going for accuracy. I don't know this particular game you are showing images from, but I can definitely say that the other games I've played a ton of are more accurate in MAME (if they aren't buggy, anyways). The game is Bloody Roar 2. I don't remember the arcade versions being that pixelated along the straight lines at all, the 3D versions all seem much closer to what I remember though I haven't seen an original arcade version for years. My screenshot is more detailed than the original game would be because we were viewing them on a low res arcade monitors. Kind of hard to tell in the videos I'm looking at: I would highly suggest anyone considering ditching the 3D emulators at least get one game setup properly (in Zinc, SegaM2 etc.) so you can judge for yourself. I much prefer the 3D versions. There's MAME versions you can use graphics filters lime MAME++ etc I only recently discovered this and have been setting up PSXMame and been impressed with the results. It uses similar rendering plugins to Zinc with a mame executable, there are also more supported games. It has it's own little quirks for setup as well though. It should also be mentioned that some of these games are emulated as well or better in the console version, the ps1 version of Tekken 3 is a good example. This can be a good alternative to both the mame and zinc version in some cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigster Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I thought Mame++ and PSXmame were cancelled? Are there current versions of these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aorin Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I thought Mame++ and PSXmame were cancelled? Are there current versions of these? Yes, but you still have graphic filters with MAME PLUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerojay Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 There are no newer versions of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aorin Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 There are no newer versions of them. You're right for MAME++ but MAME PLUS we have versions up to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8BitMonk Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think the last version of PSXmame was from 2009/09/03 and uses the .133 mame romset. The more common version floating around seems to be from 2009/04/17. I haven't been able to fully verify a PSXmame rom set using any of the dats I've found or by creating one from an executable. djvj has a dat file on the FTP site, there's also one in the version I found here that is compiled with no nag and direct input. All of the dats seem to differ, not sure which is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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