Simpsons & Turtles 4player & 2Player rom setup help

[3ll]

Hi,

can someone tell me how I can get hyperspin to launch the 2 player versions of mame games such as turtles, turtles in time, simpsons etc

I have located the roms and can place them in the rom directory but I am unsure on how I tell hyperspin to launch these roms instead of the 4player variants.

can anyone offer guidance on this ?

[somail]

You need to go into the hyperspin database xml for mame "mame.xml". Edit the simpsons section to the name of the simpsons rom you wish to launch. Do this for turtles etc..

Let us know if you need more detail.

[SubZero]

Justrename your simpson en turtles themes to the 2 player roms names

[Fromlostdays]

And remember that if you rename your database entry, you'll have to rename the rom accordingly.

[3ll]

Hi guys, thanks for the replies.. Im still a little fuzzy on what I need to do though..

I have opened up the mame.xml file located in my hyperspin/databases/mame directory and have found the following entries for the Simpsons..

</game>

<game name="simpsons2pa" index="" image="">

<description>The Simpsons (2 Players Asia)</description>

<cloneof>simpsons</cloneof>

<crc>580ce1d6</crc>

<manufacturer>Konami</manufacturer>

<year>1991</year>

<genre></genre>

<rating>Other - NR (Not Rated)</rating>

<enabled>Yes</enabled>

</game>

<game name="simpsons2pj" index="" image="">

<description>The Simpsons (2 Players Japan)</description>

<cloneof>simpsons</cloneof>

<crc>265f7a47</crc>

<manufacturer>Konami</manufacturer>

<year>1991</year>

<genre></genre>

<rating>Other - NR (Not Rated)</rating>

<enabled>Yes</enabled>

</game>

<game name="simpsons2p" index="" image="">

<description>The Simpsons (2 Players World, set 1)</description>

<cloneof>simpsons</cloneof>

<crc>580ce1d6</crc>

<manufacturer>Konami</manufacturer>

<year>1991</year>

<genre></genre>

<rating>Other - NR (Not Rated)</rating>

<enabled>Yes</enabled>

</game>

<game name="simpsons2p2" index="" image="">

<description>The Simpsons (2 Players World, set 2)</description>

<cloneof>simpsons</cloneof>

<crc>580ce1d6</crc>

<manufacturer>Konami</manufacturer>

<year>1991</year>

<genre></genre>

<rating>Other - NR (Not Rated)</rating>

<enabled>Yes</enabled>

</game>

<game name="simpsons" index="" image="">

<description>The Simpsons (4 Players World, set 1)</description>

<cloneof></cloneof>

<crc>580ce1d6</crc>

<manufacturer>Konami</manufacturer>

<year>1991</year>

<genre></genre>

<rating>Other - NR (Not Rated)</rating>

<enabled>Yes</enabled>

</game>

<game name="simpsons4pa" index="" image="">

<description>The Simpsons (4 Players World, set 2)</description>

<cloneof>simpsons</cloneof>

<crc>580ce1d6</crc>

<manufacturer>Konami</manufacturer>

<year>1991</year>

<genre></genre>

<rating>Other - NR (Not Rated)</rating>

<enabled>Yes</enabled>

I have the simpsons 2pa rom and the 4pa romfiles in my rom directory..

do I still edit something within the mame.xml file or do I simply rename the simpsons theme in my mame themes directory to the same name as the rom i want it to open up?

I am assuming the same method would also apply to Xmen / Turtles etc..

[32assassin]

you can do this two ways,

as mentioned

all 2 player games are clones of 4 player games

filter out all clone games, ONLY PARENT ROMS WILL SHOW UP IN YOUR WHEEL

removed the rom name inside the line <cloneof>simpsons</cloneof> and then add the 2 player name to the 4 player entries your 4 player line should look like this:<cloneof>simpsons2p2</cloneof>

filter by themes, ONLY GAMES WITH THEMES WILL SHOW IN YOUR WHEEL

rename your themes to match the 2 player rom names

simpsons 4 player name: simpsons

simpsons 2 player name: simpsons2p2

[3ll]

Thanks for the guidance, that actually helped me to sort it

for anyone else who has similar problems heres what I did..

as 32assassin described,

go into mame.xml this file is located in your hyperspin/databases/mame directory. On the 2 player entry of your rom you want to load with hyperspin edit your mame.xml file and remove the games name from between these two fields. <cloneof>simpsons</cloneof> - It should then look like <cloneof></cloneof>

Next you need to find the 4 player entry in your mame.xml for the same game and in the <cloneof></cloneof> field for that entry you need to put the name of your 2 player rom name. In my case I used <cloneof>simpsons2pa</cloneof>

[you can find the name of your 2 player rom file from looking into your roms directory, or if you have just downloaded a 2 player version put this file in your roms directory]

After you have done this you then need to make sure the hyperspin theme you use for your game ties up with your new changes to the mame.xml file we have just made, to do this go into the Hyperspin/media/mame/themes directory and find the theme for your game your working with, rename this theme to the name of your two player rom, in my case I renamed the theme to simpsons2pa. [the same name you typed in your <cloneof>simpsons2pa</cloneof> field]

after this it should work, do the same thing with other 2 player rom files such as Turtles, Sunset riders, Xmen etc..

Thanks for the guidance everyone, this has been bugging me for about a year, glad i was finally able to sort it with your help

[Sarda]

Just found this , I followed your method step by step to no luck.

1 - If I add a 2p entry, it'll only show the 4p on the wheel.

2 - If I do the renaming and XML edit just like you said, it still launches the 4p versions.

Any help? Thanks!

[aliens8us]

Thanks for the guidance, that actually helped me to sort it

for anyone else who has similar problems heres what I did..

as 32assassin described,

go into mame.xml this file is located in your hyperspin/databases/mame directory. On the 2 player entry of your rom you want to load with hyperspin edit your mame.xml file and remove the games name from between these two fields. <cloneof>simpsons</cloneof> - It should then look like <cloneof></cloneof>

Next you need to find the 4 player entry in your mame.xml for the same game and in the <cloneof></cloneof> field for that entry you need to put the name of your 2 player rom name. In my case I used <cloneof>simpsons2pa</cloneof>

[you can find the name of your 2 player rom file from looking into your roms directory, or if you have just downloaded a 2 player version put this file in your roms directory]

After you have done this you then need to make sure the hyperspin theme you use for your game ties up with your new changes to the mame.xml file we have just made, to do this go into the Hyperspin/media/mame/themes directory and find the theme for your game your working with, rename this theme to the name of your two player rom, in my case I renamed the theme to simpsons2pa. [the same name you typed in your <cloneof>simpsons2pa</cloneof> field]

after this it should work, do the same thing with other 2 player rom files such as Turtles, Sunset riders, Xmen etc..

Thanks for the guidance everyone, this has been bugging me for about a year, glad i was finally able to sort it with your help

Thank you for this! I just recieved my Hyperspin Project from my friend from another site that sold me a HDD w/ 50 emulators. I'm just now in the process of setting up the controls for all the emulators. You had me just realized that all the 4-player MAME games that I'm going to have to adjust like you did (X-Men, NBA Jam, Turtles, etc.)

[joe35car]

Now start the game Simpsons and hit F2 and change the sound settings from mono to stereo. Few other games as well are set to mono by default. http://mametesters.org/view.php?id=5480

[delt31]

I followed everything too and still no luck. Anyone clarify how to actually do this?

I'm doing turtles which has teenage mutant ninja turtles and hero turtles and I changed all of them from clone TMNT to a 2p version and changed the 2p version I was using to _____ (removed the name in between clone words). Still no go.

[cowbells]

Not quite sure what you're saying, but it looks like there are two 2 Player clones of tmnt (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles). Simpsons has a few more than that, so you should just go with the World version.

TMNT- One is the Japanese version : tmnt2pj

The other is the Oceania version : tmnt2po

Simpsons world : simpsons 2p

That's how the roms should be named in your MAME romset. You'll also need the parent roms tmnt and simpsons in your rom folder.

I'm not sure how you sort your MAME list, but I do it by available themes. With my method, I would just rename my themes to tmnt2po and simpsons2p, then the database would load those versions of the games. This is why the MAME database has every single game on there, so you can easily customize it. If you are going by available videos or wheels, then you'd do the same thing, just rename them to the version of the game you want to load.

You can tweak these settings in HyperHQ.

Hope this helps.

[delt31]

Thanks but per the instructions earlier in this thread, I was told to find the 2p version of the game and find it in the mame.xml file and remove it from the clone<>clone line so it's blank then I was to replace the 4 player roms so their clone line item in the xml looks like clone<tmnt2po>clone. I did that but it didn't work. Would you mind writing up what the xml should look like for turtles based on what you noted above? I do see two versions of the game being 2p and there is only one parent rom (tmnt) but what do I do now? I also noticed teenage mutant hero turtles which is the UK version. Not sure if I need to change anything with those.

Thanks

[cowbells]

Oh gotcha, it was late when I responded so I didn't even notice the first page of this thread haha.

I wouldn't recommend messing with the database. The reason is this. Let's say you edit these two games, then later, you want to update your MAME romset and database. Now, you have to go back and edit the xml again. And you'd have to do this every time you update. If you end up doing this to 20 games, well, then it's going to suck updating. With the method I described, you leave the xml alone and just have Hyperspin filter the data for us. This way, you don't have to worry about editing anything every time you update. Yay computers!

Here's a more detailed explanation:

Open HyperHQ. Go to Wheel Settings --> MAME --> Naviagation / Themes. From here, you can set wheel filters:

(not on a computer with HS, just borrowed the image for illustration, yours will say 'MAME' at the top)

The box I made shows the filters. If you select Themes Only, then only games that have a theme in your media folder for MAME will appear in HS. Wheels Only shows games that have wheel images, Parents Only shows all games that aren't clones and Roms Only shows all games that you have roms for.

In this case, I'd suggest going with either Themes (what I do) or Wheels. Since MAME is such a large database, you don't want all of it. Instead, you can just navigate to Media --> MAME --> Themes. Find the theme tmnt and rename it to tmnt2po (you may still need to download it if you don't have it). Hyperlaunch will then launch the correct version of the game and you never have to mess with editing the dat. Do the same for Simpsons and you should be golden.

Btw, if you need to know the name of a rom and why it's different or anything like that, just go to mamedb.com

[SubZero]

Like Cowbells says, just rename your theme to the rom name you are using.

[32assassin]

sorry cowbells but that is not a good idea

This is only an option if you only want a selective number of games (most popular). You can't use the Themes or Wheel Only filter because many games are still missing their media (themes or wheels). if you don't have the theme you will not have the game listed in your Hyperspin wheel.

I wouldn't recommend messing with the database. The reason is this. Let's say you edit these two games, then later, you want to update your MAME romset and database. Now, you have to go back and edit the xml again. And you'd have to do this every time you update. If you end up doing this to 20 games, well, then it's going to suck updating. With the method I described, you leave the xml alone and just have Hyperspin filter the data for us. This way, you don't have to worry about editing anything every time you update. Yay computers!

this is exactly what I do. I wish their was a program to automatically edit your XML based on certain criterias. Until then I will do it manually; given that MAME is only updated once every other month its not such a bad task.

I actually have a cheat sheet to help me update my XML.

it started as a list of 4 player games up its been expanded

to

add pauline and fix it felix

I also added more clone to parent games such as speed hacks for Ms. Pac-man, Galaga and Ikari Warriors 4 way joystick hack.

when a new version of MAME is released, I updated my roms, update my exe.

when Brolly releases the new XML, I open my cheat sheet file and go down the list and make all this changes.

<game image="" index="" name="FixitFelixJr">

<description>Fix it Felix Jr</description>

<cloneof></cloneof>

<crc/>

<manufacturer>TobiKomi</manufacturer>

<year>1985</year>

<genre>Platform</genre>

<rating>AAMA - Green (Suitable For All Ages)</rating>

<enabled>Yes</enabled>

</game>

<game image="" index="" name="dkongpne">

<description>Donkey Kong Pauline Edition</description>

<cloneof></cloneof>

<crc/>

<manufacturer>Hack</manufacturer>

<year>2013</year>

<genre>Platform</genre>

<rating>AAMA - Green (Suitable For All Ages)</rating>

<enabled>Yes</enabled>

</game>

(NO NEED TO CHANGE)

2 player parent, 4 player clone

Atari Football

Captain America: The Avengers

Passing Shot

Super Offroad

Super Sprint

Tank Force

WWF Wrestlefest

Crime Fighters

4P US parent = crimfght

2P USA clone = crimfght2

Demolition Derby

4P US parent = demoderb

2P USA clone cocktail = demoderbc

Desert Assault clone of thunder Zone

4P US parent = thndzone4 --> clone of 4 player Thunder Zone

2P USA clone = dassault

Eliminator

2P parent = elim2

2p cocktail = elim2c

Galaga (Midway set 1 with fast shoot hack)

clone = galagamf

Gauntlet

4P US parent = gauntlet

2P USA clone = gauntlet2p

Gauntlet 2

4P US parent = gaunt2

2P USA clone = gaunt22p

Ikari Warriors (joystick hack)

Parent = ikari

joystick hack clone = ikarijpb

Ms. Pac-Man (speedup hack)

parent = mspacman

clone = mspacmnf

Pac-Man (Galaxian hardware, set 2)

parent = puckman

clone = pacmanbla

Pac-Man (Midway, speedup hack)

clone = pacmanf

Punk Shot

4P US parent = punkshot

2P USA clone = punkshot2

Stone Ball

4P US parent = stonebal

2P USA clone = stonebal2

Sunset Riders

4P parent = ssriders

2P USA clone = ssridersubc

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

4P parent = tmnt

2P USA clone = tmnt2po

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - Turtles in Time

4P parent = tmnt2

2P USA clone = tmnt22pu

The Main Event

4P US parent = mainevt

2P USA clone = mainevt2p

The Simpsons

4P parent = simpsons

2P USA clone = simpsons2p3

Vendetta

4P parent = vendetta

2P USA clone = vendetta2pu

Xmen

4P parent = xmen

2P USA clone = xmen2pe

[delt31]

Appreciate the input guys but it seems I'm getting conflicting ideas. Would someone who has this working for TMNT (or any of them) just copy and paste their mame .xml file (for that game area only) so I can see exactly what it should look like and then leverage that for others? I understand the concept and will be able to read the rom names fine. Thanks guys!

[32assassin]

they are not conflicting ideas, they are multiple ways of doing what you want to do. each example given has its pros and its cons. Its up to you to decide what best fits your needs.

as I posted in the earlier post

find the 4 player Parent in the XML

TMNT for example

<game name="tmnt" index="" image="">

<description>Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (World 4 Players)</description>

<cloneof></cloneof> -----> change this to hide game <cloneof>tmht2p</cloneof>

<crc></crc>

<manufacturer>Konami</manufacturer>

<rating>AAMA - Green (Suitable For All Ages)</rating>

<year>1989</year>

<genre>Beat-'Em-Up</genre>

<enabled>Yes</enabled>

find the 2 player clone

<game name="tmht2p" index="" image="">

<description>Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (UK 2 Players, set 1)</description>

<cloneof>tmnt</cloneof> change this to make it a parent rom:<cloneof></cloneof>

<crc></crc>

<manufacturer>Konami</manufacturer>

<rating>AAMA - Green (Suitable For All Ages)</rating>

<year>1989</year>

<genre>Beat-'Em-Up</genre>

<enabled>Yes</enabled>

</game>

finally go to HyperHQ and click on the "Parents Only" filter.

[cowbells]

32assasin, no disrespect, but in my opinion, your way is a lot more work. If I want a game that doesn't have a theme yet on my HS, I just make a copy of the default mame theme and rename to the roms name. Boom, done. Never have to update again. If a theme gets made, overwrite. Then you are done again. Never have to mess with xmls and you certainly don't have to update it every other month. I actually don't do this, as I really only use HS to wow house guests. Therefore, I only use games that have nice pretty themes. I have no need to wow myself. MAME and RL are more than enough for just me.

Your way works as well I suppose, but it's a lot of upkeep. Not to mention a much more arduous solution for a guy that's just getting his feet wet. Anyway, we're here to help, not bicker.

Delt31, you can follow either set of advice and achieve the result you are looking for. If you choose to use the method I suggested, then you don't have to edit the MAME database. Just use the official one and rename your Simpsons and TMNT theme and you'll be done.

[delt31]

find the 4 player Parent in the XML

TMNT for example

<game name="tmnt" index="" image="">

<description>Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (World 4 Players)</description>

<cloneof></cloneof> -----> change this to hide game <cloneof>tmht2p</cloneof>

<crc></crc>

<manufacturer>Konami</manufacturer>

<rating>AAMA - Green (Suitable For All Ages)</rating>

<year>1989</year>

<genre>Beat-'Em-Up</genre>

<enabled>Yes</enabled>

find the 2 player clone

<game name="tmht2p" index="" image="">

<description>Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (UK 2 Players, set 1)</description>

<cloneof>tmnt</cloneof> change this to make it a parent rom:<cloneof></cloneof>

<crc></crc>

<manufacturer>Konami</manufacturer>

<rating>AAMA - Green (Suitable For All Ages)</rating>

<year>1989</year>

<genre>Beat-'Em-Up</genre>

<enabled>Yes</enabled>

</game>

I did this verbatim (changed TMNT to point to tmht2p) and made tmht2p the parent AND changed my theme from tmnt to tmht2p and now I don't have a theme represented for turtles. Tried to leave the theme as tmnt and still no them on the wheel anymor

do I need to change all of the clones for TMNT to tmht2p too?

[delt31]

32assasin, no disrespect, but in my opinion, your way is a lot more work. If I want a game that doesn't have a theme yet on my HS, I just make a copy of the default mame theme and rename to the roms name. Boom, done. Never have to update again. If a theme gets made, overwrite. Then you are done again. Never have to mess with xmls and you certainly don't have to update it every other month. I actually don't do this, as I really only use HS to wow house guests. Therefore, I only use games that have nice pretty themes. I have no need to wow myself. MAME and RL are more than enough for just me.

Your way works as well I suppose, but it's a lot of upkeep. Not to mention a much more arduous solution for a guy that's just getting his feet wet. Anyway, we're here to help, not bicker.

Delt31, you can follow either set of advice and achieve the result you are looking for. If you choose to use the method I suggested, then you don't have to edit the MAME database. Just use the official one and rename your Simpsons and TMNT theme and you'll be done.

Your way worked - problem is I don't want to hide other games without themes.....Thanks though.

I'm also trying to figure out why my SF2 hyper is not working. Jesus....haha - it comes up and when I press it flashes and never launches

[cowbells]

This is what he meant:

<game name="tmnt" index="" image="">
<description>Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (World 4 Players)</description>
<cloneof>tmht2p</cloneof>
<crc></crc>
<manufacturer>Konami</manufacturer>
<rating>AAMA - Green (Suitable For All Ages)</rating>
<year>1989</year>
<genre>Beat-'Em-Up</genre>
<enabled>Yes</enabled>

and

<game name="tmht2p" index="" image="">
<description>Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (UK 2 Players, set 1)</description>
<cloneof></cloneof>
<crc></crc>
<manufacturer>Konami</manufacturer>
<rating>AAMA - Green (Suitable For All Ages)</rating>
<year>1989</year>
<genre>Beat-'Em-Up</genre>
<enabled>Yes</enabled>
</game>

[cowbells]

Your way worked - problem is I don't want to hide other games without themes.....Thanks though.

No worries

[vampirolatino2]

Now start the game Simpsons and hit F2 and change the sound settings from mono to stereo. Few other games as well are set to mono by default. http://mametesters.org/view.php?id=5480

Wow!!! The more you know! Thanks a lot, never knew that the konami games default in mono.... now I understand why it didn't sound like I remember in the old days lol

Changed to stereo. NOW this is more like!

[delt31]

This is what he meant:

<game name="tmnt" index="" image="">
<description>Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (World 4 Players)</description>
<cloneof>tmht2p</cloneof>
<crc></crc>
<manufacturer>Konami</manufacturer>
<rating>AAMA - Green (Suitable For All Ages)</rating>
<year>1989</year>
<genre>Beat-'Em-Up</genre>
<enabled>Yes</enabled>

and

<game name="tmht2p" index="" image="">
<description>Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (UK 2 Players, set 1)</description>
<cloneof></cloneof>
<crc></crc>
<manufacturer>Konami</manufacturer>
<rating>AAMA - Green (Suitable For All Ages)</rating>
<year>1989</year>
<genre>Beat-'Em-Up</genre>
<enabled>Yes</enabled>
</game>

OK - I did that and didn't work. Do I need to change the theme as well as I tried doing that and no luck. Do I need to change all the other clones too to refer to the 2p version? I believe there is more to change then just the two referenced above right?