rocket launch

[taken123]

Hey guys I want to know what you think about the new rocket launch ? Is it better and easier to use compared to hyperlaunch? And if so should i get it ?

 

[SIMPLYAUSTIN]

Double edge sword to be honest. If you are using the standard 1.3 version of Hyperspin I would try my damned hardest to run the latest version of hyperlaunch...version 3. 

 

You see Hyperspin version 1.3 runs like shit with rocket launcher. Many of the Hyperspin features become bugged and getting it so you can just play a game is just silly. And for the sake of what???? A Damn name change???

 

However, if you are using or if you have tried the 1.4 beta version of Hyperspin it does help you a LITTLE more. In terms of the programs working together it's much more stable and many of those bugs are cleared.

 

But the fact still remains that although the Hyperspin setup can be complicated for the newer user with no experience... It's now 100 times more complicated for the sake of a name change.

 

Then there is more issues, these guys at Hyperspin do not "officially" help or guide you with rocket launcher. Instead the support has gone back to HL2.... Uuuuurgh, don't ask

 

Now... Rocket launcher..... I love it, but I am very wary of the path I think it may take very soon.

 

So all in all mate... I prob aint answered your question, instead just opened a can of worms. But it was a good question but with no simple answer.

 

Give me a shout if you get stuck though mate 

[pinsanity]

Hyperlaunch = Windows 7

Rocketlauncher = Windows 8

[brolly]

RocketLauncher works perfectly fine with HS1.3 or Windows 7. Getting it work with HS1.3 is simple IF you properly read the transactional tutorial.

That's definitely what you want to use, plus there are no updates to RL anymore so you'll be stuck with any possible bugs you find on it.

[gigapig]

I don't notice any difference, it's works just the same if your using HS1.4 and like Brolly explained, if you follow the Transition Tool instructions properly, it also works with HS1.3.

 

The best though is it auto updates so you no longer need to screw around with additional software and I'm sure it will continue to get better.

[SIMPLYAUSTIN]

have they fixed it so you can choose your ROM only tab in the HyperHQ yet for 1.3?

[gigapig]

No sure.

Although a convenient feature, but it's probably best if people use a matching xml or create one.

[pofo14]

My advice would be to go for the upgrade to RL. You will need to do it eventually. For what it's worth I did not do the upgrade in my "cabinet pc". I am setting it all up on my desktop (trying my best to make it "portable") and then will migrate that setup to my main cabinet pc. If you have the extra pc, or even extra disk space on you gaming PC to have two copies of your HS/RL setup I recommend this approach.

[SIMPLYAUSTIN]

My advice would be to go for the upgrade to RL. You will need to do it eventually. For what it's worth I did not do the upgrade in my "cabinet pc". I am setting it all up on my desktop (trying my best to make it "portable") and then will migrate that setup to my main cabinet pc. If you have the extra pc, or even extra disk space on you gaming PC to have two copies of your HS/RL setup I recommend this approach.

 

Depends on that actual user.  What level they are at with the wonders of understanding HyperSpin, what their rig likes and of course what membership they have

 

No sure.

Although a convenient feature, but it's probably best if people use a matching xml or create one.

 

Yeah agreed but this is one of a list of bugs which hamper the 1.3 users.  They seem small but when they are all together it turns into a nightmare for getting simple setups working. I mean yeah your right with the XML thing, but does your average Joe know how to make and edit his XML, do this for each system he has.  Put them all back.  Configure Hyperspin ini files so it boots smoothly, edit the launch options for each system as it then has a knock on effect with other settings. 

 

It is just too much for a standard user to come along and read through 3 sets of tutorial pages which do not link to each other in a logical fashion.  Then to do the above.  So no, 1.3 is not working perfectly with Hyperspin, what has happened is people have figured ways to try and patch it up and expect others to follow.  there are still lots of bugs even if you do get a system to boot.

 

Its no ones fault, but lets not paint a picture to someone new asking a good question that its perfect.  Its not, its a mess

 

Of course, 1.4 is far more compatible with RL.  However is 1.4 compatible with everyones PC or setup..... no.  thats why its still in the BETA stage.  And of course you have the problem that its Premium users only able to use it. 

 

So again... with all this in mind.  My opinion is...

 

1.3 if your not premium or if your system does not like the BETA 1.4. = HyperLaunch

You will have to update maybe if you want to add more things. But maybe it will no longer be premium download at that point, or the BETA may be updated and more stable.

 

1.4 if you are premium and have no issues with the BETA = RocketLauncher

its all working and updated so just get the latest version of everything.

 

 

I find the entire situation here at the moment to be even more of a headache than it was with the older site, if thats even possibl?.  In the space of a couple of months things have advanced.  But its become a mess.  To update a Website, change the backend, move the backend to a completely dif program. Bring in a BETA version and now you guys only support HyperLaunch 2....its all just too much!  Dont get me wrong, I love all the new stuff.  But I kind of think you guys are leaving the Mr Joe thinking WTF??  All he wants to do is set up a few systems and play some games??

 

look at the original post that started this.....

 

Is is better and easier to switch to rocket launcher?? It all depends now on around 50 dif factors?

[taken123]

Double edge sword to be honest. If you are using the standard 1.3 version of Hyperspin I would try my damned hardest to run the latest version of hyperlaunch...version 3. 

 

You see Hyperspin version 1.3 runs like shit with rocket launcher. Many of the Hyperspin features become bugged and getting it so you can just play a game is just silly. And for the sake of what???? A Damn name change???

 

However, if you are using or if you have tried the 1.4 beta version of Hyperspin it does help you a LITTLE more. In terms of the programs working together it's much more stable and many of those bugs are cleared.

 

But the fact still remains that although the Hyperspin setup can be complicated for the newer user with no experience... It's now 100 times more complicated for the sake of a name change.

 

Then there is more issues, these guys at Hyperspin do not "officially" help or guide you with rocket launcher. Instead the support has gone back to HL2.... Uuuuurgh, don't ask

 

Now... Rocket launcher..... I love it, but I am very wary of the path I think it may take very soon.

 

So all in all mate... I prob aint answered your question, instead just opened a can of worms. But it was a good question but with no simple answer.

 

Give me a shout if you get stuck though mate 

 

Depends on that actual user.  What level they are at with the wonders of understanding HyperSpin, what their rig likes and of course what membership they have

 

 

Yeah agreed but this is one of a list of bugs which hamper the 1.3 users.  They seem small but when they are all together it turns into a nightmare for getting simple setups working. I mean yeah your right with the XML thing, but does your average Joe know how to make and edit his XML, do this for each system he has.  Put them all back.  Configure Hyperspin ini files so it boots smoothly, edit the launch options for each system as it then has a knock on effect with other settings. 

 

It is just too much for a standard user to come along and read through 3 sets of tutorial pages which do not link to each other in a logical fashion.  Then to do the above.  So no, 1.3 is not working perfectly with Hyperspin, what has happened is people have figured ways to try and patch it up and expect others to follow.  there are still lots of bugs even if you do get a system to boot.

 

Its no ones fault, but lets not paint a picture to someone new asking a good question that its perfect.  Its not, its a mess

 

Of course, 1.4 is far more compatible with RL.  However is 1.4 compatible with everyones PC or setup..... no.  thats why its still in the BETA stage.  And of course you have the problem that its Premium users only able to use it. 

 

So again... with all this in mind.  My opinion is...

 

1.3 if your not premium or if your system does not like the BETA 1.4. = HyperLaunch

You will have to update maybe if you want to add more things. But maybe it will no longer be premium download at that point, or the BETA may be updated and more stable.

 

1.4 if you are premium and have no issues with the BETA = RocketLauncher

its all working and updated so just get the latest version of everything.

 

 

I find the entire situation here at the moment to be even more of a headache than it was with the older site, if thats even possibl?.  In the space of a couple of months things have advanced.  But its become a mess.  To update a Website, change the backend, move the backend to a completely dif program. Bring in a BETA version and now you guys only support HyperLaunch 2....its all just too much!  Dont get me wrong, I love all the new stuff.  But I kind of think you guys are leaving the Mr Joe thinking WTF??  All he wants to do is set up a few systems and play some games??

 

look at the original post that started this.....

 

Is is better and easier to switch to rocket launcher?? It all depends now on around 50 dif factors?

Hey thank you so much for your advice .It cleared alot up for me .and helped out alot in my decision making

[brolly]

The Rom only bug is on the HS side not the RL one so there's nothing to fix there.

If you really need the Rom only feature by some reason you can simply use a RL proxy executable and everything will work just as before with maybe just a few milliseconds added to launch time.

 

So again, there's no reason not to upgrade to RL and for someone starting now would be silly to use HL instead.

[brolly]

- Wary of the path it may take soon????? It continues to become better and better, I don't see what you are wary about.

That makes 2 of us, a large part of that post doesn't really make sense anyway. But hey everyone is free to get back to HL2

[damageinc86]

I'm curious why Hyper L3 was skipped over? I will probably install the new RL when/if I start up a new system with fresh installs of everything.  But I've spent almost 2 years getting everything in HyperL setup perfectly.  There's no way I'm risking that for anything lol.  

 

But I'd say if you are starting fresh with one of the betas then why not just go ahead and get started on RL.

[ghutch92]

Yes you should use rocketlauncher. Hyperlaunch is not being actively developed right now. Active development means better support which means easier for you.

 

As brolly mentioned earlier the easiest way to setup hyperspin with rocketlauncher is with a proxy executable. I made one and attached it to my how to install hyperspin guide (step 5). Link is in my signature.

 

RocketLauncher works with XP SP3 with .net framework 4, Vista, 7, 8, and 10.

 

If you use the proxy executable and you decide to upgrade your hyperspin version you will only need to make a change to one setting in hyperspin. Now that is easy.

[SIMPLYAUSTIN]

guys calm down... jeeez?  The dude asked for peoples opinions and mine was given.  If you dont like that as it differs from yours then please dont keep the forums open to the public.

 

Now, back to the thread, if you need any help mate with anything you decide to do, give me a shout.  Counts for anyone else too

 

Have a great day guys

[Metalzoic]

Yes you should use rocketlauncher. Hyperlaunch is not being actively developed right now. Active development means better support which means easier for you.

 

As brolly mentioned earlier the easiest way to setup hyperspin with rocketlauncher is with a proxy executable. I made one and attached it to my how to install hyperspin guide (step 5). Link is in my signature.

 

RocketLauncher works with XP SP3 with .net framework 4, Vista, 7, 8, and 10.

 

If you use the proxy executable and you decide to upgrade your hyperspin version you will only need to make a change to one setting in hyperspin. Now that is easy.

Does your guide walk someone through, step-by-step, how to upgrade from 1.3 and HyperLaunchHQ to Hyperspin 1.4 and then RocketLauncher (I'm guessing you have to do it in that order?). Or what is the best way to backup/protectp everything I have now when the new setup goes horribly wrong? Another issue I have is I followed Austin's guide to do my initial setup (Thanks Austin!) which works great, but his setup mixes many Hyperspin and HyperLaunchHQ folders together and makes a bit of a mixed-mess. I'm guessing trying to transition that to the new stuff will create its own issues, or maybe the RocketLauncher transition tool won't even work at all?

Like damageinc, I haven't upgraded because I have a perfectly working system and the impression I get of the new versions (from the beta thread and multitudes of "upgraded but now nothing works" threads) is one of nothing but problems and hours spent figuring out workarounds.

I'll have to upgrade soon anyway, but I'm dreading it.

EDIT: Nice guide, but it looks like it is just for a fresh install. Does anyone have a guide specifically for upgrading?

[tonycrew]

Well i'm still on HS 1.3 and HL 3.? Beta and for the most part all runs ok for what i need in my cab, the problem i think at the moment is if you say i got a problem, you usually get a update to RL and HS 1.4 answer, which leads people to think ok i just spent months setting this up almost there and now i need to upgrade again, which is fine for those who like to mess about for hours,days,weeks,months etc, but some people just want to set it up and play games, i think there should be a bundle install that installs say a version to get up and running ASAP, where during the install it just asks a few questions and sets the ini's etc for that system, this would make it more widley available to casual users, who no matter how many times they read something just can't get it sorted.

 

It's becoming overly complicated with developers branching off here there and everywhere, and setups going back to HL2, for the new comer it must be even more confusing when they come here as there's HL2, HL 3, RL, HS 1.3, HS 1.4, HLHQ, HHQ,  This works with this and this doesn't work with that, not to mention all the XML editing tools, And they why not use hypersync to sync everything but hey don't forget you need a sub to emu movies, and even then you will never have a full set of anything because so much is missing, Information is scattered all over the place and since the update if you google something it won't get you to the page you searched. and after all that you need xpadder, joytokey, or edit all your emus etc it is a never ending project, which is fine for those who want to spend years doing this, But i say again for those who perhaps just want a cab/system up and running ASAP there should be a package install and made as simple as possible to get the backbones installed with all folders,inis etc setup during the install maybe let them tick boxes for which systems to setup folders and inis for, with valid xml's etc already installed, this would suit a casual user.

 

For me i been around here a few years on and off, and came back recently and found it had moved on a bit since last time, but i had the basics just forgot a bit of stuff and needed a little help here and there. And personaly i love the end result because when setup correctly it's an amazing piece of software that look really good on my cab  it just need to be simplified a bit. I have watched Austins and gigpigs guides alot to freshen up on stuff, maybe there should be an official upto date youtube channel with the relevent info on setting everything up.

[gigapig]

We seem to be people whom if an update comes (this includes any software) along, we naturally feel the need to update what we already have, why bother if your cab is working?

 

If someone had been away for some years and then comes back to find all these updates, surely we would suggest they start a fresh install and keep a copy of the precious thing they spent years creating?

[gigapig]

This is the Everest of front ends. Once conquered what's left? Admire the photos, talk about it with your grand children, teach others about how you traversed it.

But wait, one day you look up, did Everest get bigger, did some bastard climb it quicker? Better dust off the boots and the climbing ropes, but please back up first.

[Metalzoic]

Well I decided to bite the bullet and upgrade today.

I didn't run the transition tool though. Instead I did a completely fresh install of HyperSpin 1.4 and RocketLauncher 1.0 following Ghutch's guide.

I started at about 9am or so this morning, took my time and was careful, and about an hour ago at say 2:30 I had it all re-set up with my wheels, roms and PC games all launching and working in the new stuff. All I have left to do is get some of the Global fade and bezel settings finished up.

A bit time consuming, but not to bad or to tough. Worried about what glitches and issues I may find with the new versions though...

[tonycrew]

There really is no need to concern yourself with HL2. HL 3/HLHQ is a whisper in the past, strike it from your mind. HS and RLUI is all ya need.

 

It's not a whisper on here for new comers it's a full on confusing mess with get this bit from this site then join another site for the other bit, then read 2 sites to get full support....

[Metalzoic]

It's not a whisper on here for new comers it's a full on confusing mess with get this bit from this site then join another site for the other bit, then read 2 sites to get full support....

I agree. You would think that these zip/downloads would come with easy to find, easy to read, obvious, step-by-step, up to date, complete, beginner friendly instructions.

Instead it's a cluster **** mess of necessary info spread across multiple, forums, hundreds of random topics, conflicting info, poor explanations etc...

[ghutch92]

Correction 3 main sites that are pushed on people when setting up hyperspin

 

hyperspin. emumovies. rlauncher.

[omamez]

i gather each dev member wants to be paid for their work hence the split

[Metalzoic]

I followed Ghutchs guide with my fresh install and everything is running solid. No issues with HypeSpin 1.4 that I've noticed so far, no dramatic improvements that I've noticed either though. The one feature I was most excited about (launching scripts from the wheel) doesn't work the way I'd hoped. Hopefully I can get it figured out soon.

The RocketLauncher auto-updating feature is a bit dangerous though because there is no way to pick and choose which you want to apply and it will overwrite your custom modules. Thankfully they put in a few dialogue box/warnings so that doesn't happen. Make sure you keep backups. Other than that I also haven't really noticed any drastic improvements.

Those aren't criticisms and I'm not being negative, just pointing them out. These programs are both incredible and just got a lot better and I'm really glad I decided to make the switch to the new stuff yesterday. I also know that In both cases I know there really are a bunch of improvements across the board, just not obvious to the user.

Thanks to both teams for their incredible work building these programs! Amazing stuff and you deserve massive thanks from all of us.