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On 11/4/2017 at 5:48 AM, moff said:

Great list, Metalzoic!

But i think one better clone need to be added.

Shadow Force (Japan, Version 3) is better than parrent Shadow Force (US, Version 2).

Shadow Force is great beat'em'up game by Technos.

Japan version has opening intro.

In Japan version both players can actually finish the game together, showing an ending with both characters. According to the American flyer, there is supposed to be 14 endings, which seems ridiculous (since the American version forces both players to kill each other off at the end, like Double Dragon)

Japan version uses only 3 buttons instead of 6 in US version, but the moves that you lack are mostly just slightly different version of the moves that you still have, so that aspect is really not that big a deal. It mostly comes down to whether or not you would rather skip the fighter sections and be more likely to see any kind of real ending.

The Japanese version is lacking the Hard Punch and Light Kick buttons to be more specific. I prefer the Japanese version myself, since the one-on-one battles (bonus stages) are gimmicky and were only added as a blatant attempt to cash-in on the fighting game craze back then.

Good to know thanks.

I'll check it out and probably add it to the list... tomorrow maybe.

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Hi guys,

I know this has been ages but house move and new baby has got in the way of my finishing my project.

I have an old set that I manually shifted through to create my current set of clones worth playing along with all other 'good' roms for mame.

I now wish to update to the latest version of mame (0.193) and, hopefully simply, get a working set of mame games that work with x setup (in my case, 8 (+2 side) buttons, trackball, 2 joys and including light gun since some work okay with trackball) and include the clones that are worth keeping.

I have split rom set and merged chd if that makes any difference

The first bit is easy enough with a load of tools out there at the moment but can anybody help provide a step by step on how to go from a complete set to a hyperlist for the above?!

Thanks!

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2 hours ago, vaderag said:

Hi guys,

I know this has been ages but house move and new baby has got in the way of my finishing my project.

I have an old set that I manually shifted through to create my current set of clones worth playing along with all other 'good' roms for mame.

I now wish to update to the latest version of mame (0.193) and, hopefully simply, get a working set of mame games that work with x setup (in my case, 8 (+2 side) buttons, trackball, 2 joys and including light gun since some work okay with trackball) and include the clones that are worth keeping.

I have split rom set and merged chd if that makes any difference

The first bit is easy enough with a load of tools out there at the moment but can anybody help provide a step by step on how to go from a complete set to a hyperlist for the above?!

Thanks!

Welcome back! I'm familiar with your situation... I hope you're able to get some sleep.

If you're interested, you might start with my "best of MAME" xml (check my sig). That'll get you most of the way there, you'll just need to layer in trackball and lightgun games. I do the same thing, where I only keep the ROMs I want in my setup (though I keep the full set off to the side). I've switched to non-merged, which makes this a LOT easier since you don't need to keep parents + clones. Something to think about.

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Welcome back! I'm familiar with your situation... I hope you're able to get some sleep.
If you're interested, you might start with my "best of MAME" xml (check my sig). That'll get you most of the way there, you'll just need to layer in trackball and lightgun games. I do the same thing, where I only keep the ROMs I want in my setup (though I keep the full set off to the side). I've switched to non-merged, which makes this a LOT easier since you don't need to keep parents + clones. Something to think about.
Thanks mate! New baby isn't quite here yet but all the manic prep has been!
Getting a new job in the run up hadn't been my brightest idea yet either ;)
I'm hoping to get this polished off over the next few days!

I went for split as was finding issues with merged (missing files etc probably through over vigorous cleanup), but I've decided now to (ideally) just keep the full set, and limit using the hyperspin display.
That way updating the set should be easier moving forwards than the setup I ended up with which seemed essentially customer and a mammoth effort to update

With everything going on tho I'm really looking for the quickest way to get to the endpoint right now and easy to maintain as well!

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20 hours ago, vaderag said:

Thanks mate! New baby isn't quite here yet but all the manic prep has been!
Getting a new job in the run up hadn't been my brightest idea yet either ;)
I'm hoping to get this polished off over the next few days!

I went for split as was finding issues with merged (missing files etc probably through over vigorous cleanup), but I've decided now to (ideally) just keep the full set, and limit using the hyperspin display.
That way updating the set should be easier moving forwards than the setup I ended up with which seemed essentially customer and a mammoth effort to update

With everything going on tho I'm really looking for the quickest way to get to the endpoint right now and easy to maintain as well!

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Yes split is what you want for HS in general so you're all set.

 

I'm not sure I understand your question though... To add these into your database you just add them in. You can either:

-just go through your XML manually and un-clone each one you want.

-or just use the already fixed list I provided and simply copy/paste them. Don't just paste them in bulk into your XML though as it is alphabetized. Find a game in your XML, then copy over it with my fixed XML entry. Repeat until finished.

-or merge my list into your list with a merge tool such as Dons Tools (if that even still works anymore).

Just remember to keep a backup of your original XML in case you screw it up. Then no worries.

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Ah. A couple things I forgot.

1. You'll want to use Notepad ++ to edit XMLs (if you aren't already). That way you can easily search for entries, make changes and keep formating. Normal notepad will screw this all up.

2. If you use Genres and/or individual Manufacturer Wheels those XMLs will also need to be updated. So for example you unclone a beat-em-up in the main MAME.xml, now you also need to unclone (or copy paste the fixed entry) into the Beat-Em-Up genre xml too. And if it was a Technos game and you have a Technos wheel it needs to be done there in both spots as well.

3. Rocketlauncher shares artwork from parent to clones, but now that a game is un-cloned you may need to copy/paste and rename the artwork/media for the game. So for the above game you may need to make renamed copies of: Theme, wheel art, video snap, bezels etc...

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On 11/4/2017 at 5:48 AM, moff said:

Great list, Metalzoic!

But i think one better clone need to be added.

Shadow Force (Japan, Version 3) is better than parrent Shadow Force (US, Version 2).

Shadow Force is great beat'em'up game by Technos.

Japan version has opening intro.

In Japan version both players can actually finish the game together, showing an ending with both characters. According to the American flyer, there is supposed to be 14 endings, which seems ridiculous (since the American version forces both players to kill each other off at the end, like Double Dragon)

Japan version uses only 3 buttons instead of 6 in US version, but the moves that you lack are mostly just slightly different version of the moves that you still have, so that aspect is really not that big a deal. It mostly comes down to whether or not you would rather skip the fighter sections and be more likely to see any kind of real ending.

The Japanese version is lacking the Hard Punch and Light Kick buttons to be more specific. I prefer the Japanese version myself, since the one-on-one battles (bonus stages) are gimmicky and were only added as a blatant attempt to cash-in on the fighting game craze back then.

Hey @moff

Just went to do this and I'm seeing it differently than you.

First I show the Parent as World version 3 which seems to already be the 3 button version you mentioned. The US, Version 2 and Japan, Version 2 are the clones on mine. So from what I can tell the US, Version 2 is the one that needs to be uncloned to get the 6-button version.

 

Can anyone else check their MAME to see which are parents/clones of Shadow Force please? Should be Shadfrce, Shadfrcej, Shadfrceu

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4 hours ago, vaderag said:

@griffin518 just tried downloading your best of Mame XML and i get a "you are not allowed to download that file" error - any ideas?

You need to be a supporting member... it's in the platinum download section

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You need to be a supporting member... it's in the platinum download section
Ah, that explains it. Be useful if it told you that anywhere on the page!! Nevermind!

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1 hour ago, vaderag said:

Ah, that explains it. Be useful if it told you that anywhere on the page!! Nevermind!

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I get this question frequently enough that maybe I should just update the description to include it.

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4 hours ago, vaderag said:

Ah, that explains it. Be useful if it told you that anywhere on the page!! Nevermind!

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I can probably sort that info next time I'm sorting the download section. It gets asked a fair bit

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Stumbled upon this topic when searching the web for unique clones and really have to say THANK YOU for your effort! I'll use this list as a guide for setting up my MAME library and weed out all the unnecessary clones.

A couple of questions:

1- Has Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 (umk3) been mentioned already? It's a very unique clone of "mk3" with extra characters, stages, modes and music. In fact, it's regarded as a distinct game altogether, yet it requires the "mk3" parent rom.

2- Is there also a list of FBA (FinalBurn Alpha) unique clones, or can the MAME list be used as a reference for both?

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On 3/9/2018 at 6:42 AM, MrSkyle said:

Stumbled upon this topic when searching the web for unique clones and really have to say THANK YOU for your effort! I'll use this list as a guide for setting up my MAME library and weed out all the unnecessary clones.

A couple of questions:

1- Has Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 (umk3) been mentioned already? It's a very unique clone of "mk3" with extra characters, stages, modes and music. In fact, it's regarded as a distinct game altogether, yet it requires the "mk3" parent rom.

2- Is there also a list of FBA (FinalBurn Alpha) unique clones, or can the MAME list be used as a reference for both?

Thanks, glad it helped.

Ultimate MK3 is it's own game and I thought that it was its own parent. If not then we can add it. I'm not running the latest MAME so someone will need to double check it for me in the latest version.

 

I'm not familiar with the FBA situation you're talking about so you'll need to break it down for me.

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On 18/03/2018 at 3:09 AM, Metalzoic said:

Thanks, glad it helped.

Ultimate MK3 is it's own game and I thought that it was its own parent. If not then we can add it. I'm not running the latest MAME so someone will need to double check it for me in the latest version.

 

I'm not familiar with the FBA situation you're talking about so you'll need to break it down for me.

For a long time and up until at least MAME 0.78, "umk3" has been regarded as a clone of "mk3" and required this one to run. Not sure afterwards.

As for FBA, I cannot explain it with detail (I'm not entirely familiar with arcade emulation), but it's basically another arcade emulator with its own romset, just like MAME. It runs some games better than MAME, such as Neo Geo games, and can run others without the need of CHD files, such as Red Earth and the SFIII series. Interestingly, "umk3" is considered a parent in the latest FBA romset.

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Interesting. I'm running back on set... I don't even know. .65 maybe?

I'll check and see how it is there.

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On 24/03/2018 at 10:37 PM, Metalzoic said:

Interesting. I'm running back on set... I don't even know. .65 maybe?

I'll check and see how it is there.

I'm using 0.78, which I believe is somewhat outdated, so maybe now "umk3" is already a parent that no longer requires "mk3"?

I also noticed the same with NBA Jam and its update, NBA Jam T.E. - "nbajamte" is considered a clone of "nbajam", despite being different games. Again, this is what I found out using the 0.78 romset, maybe they are now both separate parents as well. What is interesting, however, is that both NBA Jam and MK3 are Midway games...

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On 3/20/2018 at 8:18 AM, MrSkyle said:

For a long time and up until at least MAME 0.78, "umk3" has been regarded as a clone of "mk3" and required this one to run. Not sure afterwards.

As for FBA, I cannot explain it with detail (I'm not entirely familiar with arcade emulation), but it's basically another arcade emulator with its own romset, just like MAME. It runs some games better than MAME, such as Neo Geo games, and can run others without the need of CHD files, such as Red Earth and the SFIII series. Interestingly, "umk3" is considered a parent in the latest FBA romset.

if you want an explanation

the developers of MAME focus on accurate emulation for preservationist. the fact that we can play the games is a by product of their work.

the developers of FBA focus on having a playable emulator.

 

The "LATEST" version of MAME with a recent PC,  can run everything FBA can run. 

Their is really no need to run FBA if you have a decent PC.

their are a few games found in the FBA emulator that are not found in MAME; most if not all are homebrews and hacks.  Games you will not find on any official XML

 

 

The only people who should be running FBA are raspberry pi/android  owners.  given that FBA will run much better then the recommended MAME version from 2003, or as you mentioned version 0.78

 

I recently  download the latest set of FBA,  built a FBA XML using the latest version of the MAME XML as a base.

after filtering the games;  My PI set up is now running most of my arcade games on  the FBA emualtor , and I'm only running MAME exclusive games on the MAME 2003 emulator.

 

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On 28/03/2018 at 9:50 PM, 32assassin said:

The only people who should be running FBA are raspberry pi/android  owners.  given that FBA will run much better then the recommended MAME version from 2003, or as you mentioned version 0.78
 

Yup, that would be me. I didn't know the difference until now. I didn't see FBA as a different emulator for the same roms, I thought each had their own different romset, with different files. But now I realise FBA is simply running (the equivalent of) a more recent and refined MAME romset, with focus on more recent games, as the MAME version that runs on those systems is an older one. Either way, I noticed differences in the emulation of the same game, so I'll stick with both emulators, each with their own romset.

So maybe my suggestion of adding "umk3" may be an invalid one by now, since the latest MAME romset should regard it as a parent, as much as FBA does.

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