Have you guys seen this?

[Trnzaddict]

One of my friends posted this on FB today. This is really, REALLY different, and if you have any of your kids with you right now, PLEASE tell then to go into the other room if you are to watch this....

Would you buy this?

[suspendedhatch]

I think we need less of this kind of crap in the world. I love violent video games, but for the most part, I like being a good guy, not Adam Lanza.

Is this even real?

I'm not of the mind that video games cause violence, or that anything other than human nature causes violence. But stuff like this does sort of inspire the fringe elements and most vulnerable among us. For instance, the four freshman-aged high school kids that mugged me with a pipe years ago were acting out and quoting San Andreas.

The difference between this game and Call of Duty or GTA and other games is that those games at least make an effort to look fake. They're so over the top that you can celebrate in vicarious violence, but not feel like a sick human being afterward. You're shooting aliens, or zombies, or nazis, or nazi zombies, or drug dealer goons and gangsters, or robots, or bad guys at least. This game (and I'm merely judging by the trailer) appears to celebrate school massacres, workplace shootings... that shit just makes me sick. San Andreas repulsed me because I thought there should be a choice to be good or bad, kind of like Fable.

Call me a prude, I dare you. I will straight up murder you with nothing but green shells on Mario Kart. Excuse me but I must get back to cracking skulls on Balloon Fight.

[Trnzaddict]

I think we need less of this kind of crap in the world. I love violent video games, but for the most part, I like being a good guy, not Adam Lanza.

Is this even real?

I'm not of the mind that video games cause violence, or that anything other than human nature causes violence. But stuff like this does sort of inspire the fringe elements and most vulnerable among us. For instance, the four freshman-aged high school kids that mugged me with a pipe years ago were acting out and quoting San Andreas.

The difference between this game and Call of Duty or GTA and other games is that those games at least make an effort to look fake. They're so over the top that you can celebrate in vicarious violence, but not feel like a sick human being afterward. You're shooting aliens, or zombies, or nazis, or nazi zombies, or drug dealer goons and gangsters, or robots, or bad guys at least. This game (and I'm merely judging by the trailer) appears to celebrate school massacres, workplace shootings... that shit just makes me sick. San Andreas repulsed me because I thought there should be a choice to be good or bad, kind of like Fable.

Call me a prude, I dare you. I will straight up murder you with nothing but green shells on Mario Kart. Excuse me but I must get back to cracking skulls on Balloon Fight.

No I agree, I live only 30 miles from Newtown, And this is basically an Adam Lanza simulator. It is definitely real though. Actually, Steam Greenlight booted it yesterday saying it was too violent, but the dev stated this has zero impact on development and the game is still on schedule for Q2 2015.

The politicians are going to have a blast with this one, and the developer says that the game is actually a foolish knock towards political correctness that video games cause violence.

Boy jumping on mushrooms sure has come far eh?

[craiganderson]

when i was 16..sure

now as a dad....dont like it....

[floatingyeti]

I've never had any objection to violent videogames I even enjoy them. But something doesn't feel right about this. Its as if they are intentionally creating the gratuitously violent game that the uninformed politicians always feared.

[craiganderson]

And there is not way that this stuff doesn't "desensitize" kids/people to this sort of thing. By definition it does. Imagine showing this to someone in 1722. They would be horrified, throwing up maybe etc. We look at it and discuss it like no big deal.....because we have all been desensitized. All I know, is that I would not want my kids hanging out with another kid who plays this sorta game...but that is just me

[BiLbOBaggins]

PURCHASED!

Makes Postal look like a wholesome game.

...and no I didn't really buy it

[nathan1974au]

wow im a bit week at the knees!

but why not! ill give it a shot! when kids go to bed!

i think this would be banned here in australia.

always torrent! lol

game looks about as bad as Miami hotline and evil within.

mature minds i would think to know it's just stupid fun like gta!

Australia don't have guns, the USA has plenty just need one mental person to think that is real.

and all trouble will start.

[HazzardActual]

I enjoyed postal 1 and 2, and to be honest this game looks fun too. It kinda reminds me of the new xcom but without the turns. sure the contest will be debated like crazy and ill probably never even play it. but i looks like a good ole time. Never once did i finish playing postal and say damn now i feel like pissing on people and throwing molotovs into crowds

[Fromlostdays]

I don't think this game shouldn't be made.

Having said that, it looks lame. That speech was terrible, and they advertise the fact that the entire game is gratuitous. For people that enjoy that sort of thing, they got one maybe 2 hours of novelty before they turn the game off and probably never turn it back on.

This is the violent video game equivalent of Miley Cyrus licking a sledgehammer.

[SIMPLYAUSTIN]

I actually seen this yesterday and then I seen this from TB. I have to say that he kind of sums up my feelings about this game in his rant.

Its a game that will most prob be crap. However it will sell though the roof due to its shock factor. GTA series, Manhunt, killthrill and postal to name a few which are where they are due to its content. Its the sick world we live in Im afraid

[dark13]

The game probably sucks just as many sandbox games but nonestly i don't get the "moral" problem. Is killing digital people in COD so different from killing digital people in a mass-massacre-simulation game? Everytime you bomb a city in ace combat you are virtually killing people and killing little sisters in bioshock may be just as much questionable. Killing pixels is fun, killing people is WRONG.

You can say that people may imitate what they see on the screen but truth is videogame's coders take ispiration from what happens in this sick reality. Saying "this game is dangerous" is "wrong", you are simply stating that we live in "dangerous" society the game takes inspiration from. If you "ban" violent videogames you should even ban newspapers and online news sites, tv and radio. A tv documentary for a mass-massacre is much more "inspiring" for a sick mind than a videogame. The fact is simple: COD is ok because you are killing what is supposed to be "bad guys", this game is wrong as you are supposed to kill "innocent people". From an honest moral point of view, keeping away our "social programming" a murder is a murder. Killing someone to preserve you life is right, killing someone for some other reasons is wrong.

And... if the real "danger" of this games would be the "breaking" of social programming? If a SANE person play these games he may understand what i'm saying, that killing innocent people in a mass-massacre is not that different from mass-bombing iraq or afghanistan...

[suspendedhatch]

In psychological studies, they've found that the people you are killing and why have an incredible impact on how you're affected by it.

There's a big difference in reporting on violence and glorifying in it, reveling in it, fantasizing about it, acting it out.

I agree that mass shootings are just as bad as dropping bombs. And we also agree that games don't cause violence, but reflect our attitudes toward society.

Maybe this game is a trick to help identify potential shooters. Kind of like Minority Report. Or why we have jazz on the jukebox at the Pitstop. We also have Pet Shop Boys and Seal.

[craiganderson]

I am not supporting censoring video games.

But we do not have to leave the debate open to "opinion"

People are actually using the scientific method to figure this out

see below

interesting study

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022103111000928

Abstract

Previous research has shown that media violence exposure can cause desensitization to violence, which in theory can increase aggression. However, no study to date has demonstrated this association. In the present experiment, participants played a violent or nonviolent video game, viewed violent and nonviolent photos while their brain activity was measured, and then gave an ostensible opponent unpleasant noise blasts. Participants low in previous exposure to video game violence who played a violent (relative to a nonviolent) game showed a reduction in the P3 component of the event-related brain potential (ERP) to violent images (indicating physiological desensitization), and this brain response mediated the effect of video game content on subsequent aggressive behavior. These data provide the first experimental evidence linking violence desensitization with increased aggression, and show that a neural marker of this process can at least partially account for the causal link between violent game exposure and aggression.

another study i just read

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bbushman/BBS06.pdf

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this is kinda funny

i was reading another study and my name is in the study

(but that is not me!.....)

Nicholas Carnagey, an Iowa State psychology instructor and research assistant, and ISU Distinguished Professor of Psychology Craig Anderson collaborated on the study with Brad Bushman, a former Iowa State psychology professor now at the University of Michigan, and Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam.

same guy,....again..not me

http://public.psych.iastate.edu/caa/

....but maybe i should use the pic as my avatar.....?

[dark13]

In psychological studies, they've found that the people you are killing and why have an incredible impact on how you're affected by it.

Yeah, this is why i was talking about "social programming". Society wants us to think that killing someone for some obscure reasons is right or necessary while killing someone else for different reasons is wrong. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a pacifist and I think death penalty is right in some cases but confusing social order with ethic or morality is just a cheap trick to turn people into sheeple.

@craig anderson

Always consider a thing: every study can be "manipulated" simply choosing a certain sample. Besides this yeah, I agree, violent media can increase aggressivity. This is true for videogames, movie, music, and every form of art. So, why the problem is only related to videogames? Would you ban "natural born killers", "braindead" or "pulp fiction"? We have ratings even in videogames, just use it.

Moreover: we commonly think that aggressivity and fear are "negative". This is not true. Aggressivity and fear are what keep animals alive in the wildlife. We don't live in the wildlife but aggressivity and fear are still ok. The problems arrives when you can't control your fear or your aggressivity.

Honestly, I've been a kid in the 80' like most people on this site: did stuff like WWE wrestling or kenshiro had an impact on us? Yes, they had an impact on us. But we extacly know the difference between fantasy and reality an none of us broke a chair on someone's back thinking wrestling was a "real" thing. Yeah, maybe some of us got slightly injured while trying to imitate ultimate warrior or hulk hogan but no one tried to kill his teacher with a kenshiro's move

If you want a less violent society you don't have to ban violent media, give culture to people and declare war to poverty.

[craiganderson]

Just for the "record"....I do not want to ban anything.

I am pretty much a Libertarian! (although I do not agree with them on everything)

http://www.lp.org/platform

"As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.

We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.

Consequently, we defend each person's right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power."

[Fromlostdays]

Yeah, judging by the depth we took this conversation, I have come to the conclusion that we're old.

[THK]

Rage quit/have a terribly bad day -> play Hatred/play Limp Bizkit - Break Stuff -> after 3 minutes turn both off -> grab beer

[Trnzaddict]

Damn, gonna need to make a new rating for this game lol. I will play it though.

I won't tell my buddies this but If it gets decent reviews I'll pick it up. I'm not crazy on the isometric type view though.

PS - I've never played Postal in my life.

[THK]

PS - I've never played Postal in my life.

You know, as a kid/student, these games are fun to play because they're ridiculous and over the top. Just don't take em serious and don't let little kids and grown-ups play em.

[rust2dust]

No....just no.

[Fursphere]

This is just a Postal reboot.

I'd rather have people killing virtual people vs. doing it in real life. Last time I checked there wasn't a legit study linking violent video game playing to violent behavior. Just a bunch of crap with false assumptions that gets picked up by main stream media every few years, without any real effort gone into it.

[neo.snk]

this plain stupid and so much hate, come on we can do better than this

[iNTiGOD]

Wow...

The guy sounds like duke....

Seriously though, as a parent I wouldn't want my child seeing this. Yes I got my hands on postal (in oz) and after about 20minutes the novelty wore off. Quite sure it will be similar with this game.

What's the end game? To kill everyone and be killed ??

[adobo]

Great work, in the wrong direction.